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Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

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Date: Saturday, January 5, 2008 - 1:54 am

>  But I think the FPGAs in products are more like the possible computer
    >  in my microwave oven: nobody installs software in them, so they might
    >  as well be circuits.

    Really?  All those wifi/raid/cpu/etc cards/chips out there that need
    "firmware", you think they're not a mix of both microcontroller code and
    other binary bits that configure an ASIC or FPGA?

I am not a hardware expert; I don't know sort of hardware the firmware
blobs run on.  I will presume you're right.

Whether it runs on a computer or an FPGA, either way it's a program.
So the next crucial question is, do users normally install programs on
that device?  For some devices, the answer is no.  However, if the
firmware is stored in a file on the disk, and the system downloads it
into the device, the answer to that question is yes.

That is the case where I object to the non-free firmware blobs.
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[Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Tue Jan 1, 4:48 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Tue Jan 1, 5:24 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Adrian Fisher, (Tue Jan 1, 5:58 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Wed Jan 2, 12:03 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 5:50 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 5:50 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], , (Thu Jan 3, 1:28 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sat Jan 5, 1:54 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Sat Jan 5, 12:57 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Alexander Terekhov, (Sat Jan 5, 5:52 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sun Jan 6, 2:10 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Uwe Stuehler, (Mon Jan 14, 10:56 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Sun Jan 6, 10:28 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Sunnz, (Sun Jan 6, 9:54 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 1:15 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 8, 1:39 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Mon Jan 7, 3:29 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Sun Jan 6, 4:00 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Sun Jan 6, 4:05 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Sun Jan 6, 3:12 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 7:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], William Boshuck, (Mon Jan 7, 1:17 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Mon Jan 7, 9:53 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sat Jan 5, 1:54 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Sat Jan 5, 3:22 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Sunnz, (Sat Jan 5, 10:05 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sun Jan 6, 4:09 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Dave Anderson, (Sun Jan 6, 12:32 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 1:16 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Sunnz, (Sun Jan 6, 5:40 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sun Jan 6, 2:09 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Sun Jan 6, 3:47 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 7:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Sun Jan 6, 1:55 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 1:15 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Gilles Chehade, (Mon Jan 7, 4:04 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], , (Mon Jan 7, 1:40 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Mon Jan 7, 1:55 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Sun Jan 6, 3:38 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 7:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Eric Furman, (Tue Jan 8, 3:38 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 8, 8:20 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Kevin Wilcox, (Wed Jan 9, 11:44 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Wed Jan 9, 2:44 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], , (Thu Jan 10, 1:11 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Thu Jan 10, 8:06 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Kevin Wilcox, (Thu Jan 10, 10:54 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Tony Abernethy, (Thu Jan 10, 1:42 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Kevin Wilcox, (Thu Jan 10, 9:56 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Wed Jan 9, 1:01 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], bofh, (Wed Jan 9, 10:48 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Alexander Terekhov, (Tue Jan 8, 10:13 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Wed Jan 9, 7:04 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Tue Jan 8, 11:37 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Wed Jan 9, 12:20 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Alexander Terekhov, (Mon Jan 7, 9:05 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Mon Jan 7, 3:09 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 5:50 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Fri Jan 4, 10:46 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sat Jan 5, 10:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Sat Jan 5, 1:05 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sun Jan 6, 6:46 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Sun Jan 6, 7:30 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 7:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 8, 1:31 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Mon Jan 7, 9:58 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Gilles Chehade, (Mon Jan 7, 4:23 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Matthew Dempsky, (Mon Jan 7, 12:49 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 1, 7:09 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 5:49 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Tue Jan 1, 7:04 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], , (Tue Jan 1, 10:37 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Ray Percival, (Tue Jan 1, 7:12 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Tony Abernethy, (Tue Jan 1, 5:54 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], ropers, (Tue Jan 8, 8:15 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Tue Jan 1, 3:37 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware] , L, (Tue Jan 1, 7:12 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 5:49 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Alexander Terekhov, (Fri Jan 4, 12:25 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 1, 6:02 pm)
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