CASE... not cases, you have come up with one CASE.  One example, IF

I chose to believe in your modification of the original statement

that sparked this thread (which I don't) and believe that Mr. Stallman

was speaking of non-free software in packages your side of the argument

gets smaller and smaller.  See what happens when you have to prove your

argument?  It all boils down to you having an issue with ONE package.

A game at that.  Not production software, or a web browser, or an email

package, a game.  A single game that, from the tone of your argument

must be destroying all that free software stands for.  Guess what...

I read the license text for that game and it sounds exactly like what

your precious GPL would say if it was boiled down to it's most basic

components.  You can have the source code...  You can modify the source

code... You just can't use the source code for your commercial

application.  Sound familiar?  That is almost exactly what I was told

by a GPL Zealot that the GPL lic was all about when I was first

introduced to Linux so many years ago.
So your example of why OpenBSD isn't free is a farce.  It wouldn't

bother me if the OpenBSD devs decided to axe that package.  If I

wanted to use it I could install it from ports just fine, I usually

do anyway, but the argument that they should do so to fit yours or

Mr Stallman's ideals of what free software is about are wrong on so

many levels.
It comes down to trying to force others to live by your ideals. It's

just like the christian croud thinking that it's ok to discriminate

against the pagans because it would take such a small thing for them

(us) to convert to christianity. Never mind that many of us pagans

view christianity as a violent death cult, so why would we ever want

to. You say that it would be such a small thing for the OpenBSD

project to do to live up to your ideals when it comes to free software

but quite frankly, I think that many of the OpenBSD crowd think that

your ideals are wrong.  Freedom is all abo...
[ message continues ]

Rui Miguel Silva is continually making you guys remove rms@fsf.org

from the cc's of your messages.

Who knows?

Perhaps He gets Paid for it, and for this violent defense of insanity

from all the misused funds of FSF
Otherwise why should he repeatedly say some thin that is not

proprietary as proprietary even after being informed by tedu and

others?
How many times do we have to tell you it's NOT proprietary, and It's

not "illegal/prohibbted" to distribute "Zangband".
Go the hell away you troll!
http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119766148717919&w=2
-Nix Fan.

====================================================================================================

Because for me it is proprietary when I can't run it in a commercial
You are the troll.
Rui
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Hail Eris!

Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 4th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3174

+ No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown

+ Whatever you do will be insignificant,

| but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi

+ So let's do it...?

you clearly don't know what proprietary means.  if you don't

understand the big words, stop using them.  you also totally failed to

comprehend the license.
what i find even more hysterical is your claim that running a 5 year

old rogue clone is needed to get your work done.

No he's claiming that not being able to use a five year old rogue

clone in a commercial setting is a great injustice and unethical. See

now that makes perfect sense. NOT.

What I find even more hysterical is your lack of english comprehension,

for what I said is that restrictions against commercial usage make it

proprietary, not that I need that piece of software.
Rui
--

Or not.

Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 4th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3174

+ No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown

+ Whatever you do will be insignificant,

| but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi

+ So let's do it...?

Last time I tried to download VirtualBox emulator (GPL'd), they would

not let a company download the binary compiled versions of VirtualBox

for commercial use... i.e. they were restricting my commercial use of

the software only to source code copies, which is obnoxious and

restrictive. To me and 99 percent of other companies, only the binaries

are the things we care about for the working emulator package. Having

the source code is an additional nice extra to have, but not essential.
Personal users are of course allowed to download the VirtualBox binaries

- but companies are forced to download the obnoxious sources only.
GPL software can therefore be proprietary software (since your

definition of proprietary software is restricting the commercial users).

Several GNU softwares out there restrict the binaries from companies or

restrict other factors.. such as documentation and consulting (which

could be recorded on audio tapes and copied millions of times instead).

you still don't get to make up new definitions for proprietary.

Neither do you, so you could spare everyone by not keeping this thread

going.
Rui
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Umlaut Zebra |ber alles!

Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 4th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3174

+ No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown

+ Whatever you do will be insignificant,

| but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi

+ So let's do it...?

This thread was started by Stallman, not the OpenBSD folks.

That said I think it is important for OpenBSD developers to tell us

users what a complete and unsolicited

fucknut you are so that we, the users, don't get the impression you have

any kind of authority.
Anyway it has now been communicated what a blatant fucksteak you are so

now that everyone knows,

feel free to stop posting to the thread.
Regards

Johan M:son Lindman

that's insulting.

yes I am!

I get a 5-10 minutes break to reality and sanity.

Thats when I wrote it.

And it is evident to every one who has been on this list before how

you???

what does the license say?

has anything in the license of that software been violated?

Oh I understand now.

You are just my opposite.

You are sane most of the time but get Paranoid for a little time at random.

That when you wrote this and felt others are paranoid.

But if you want to impose your own judgment of licenses and your own

interpretation of licences you better start a project of your own and

I said perhaps you are a paid FSF mercenary or as you accused me

"delusional" :-)

I wish I was paid to only work on Free Software, I'd be much more

productive.
Rui
-- 
Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 4th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3174

+ No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown

+ Whatever you do will be insignificant,

| but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi

+ So let's do it...?

Rui, I kindly ask you to not remove Richards's e-mail, since he is as

interested as everyone else who follows this thread.
Richard does not receive duplicated e-mail, since he is not in

misc@openbsd.org, so don't hesitate to add him.
Greetings.

FYI, I continually remove people from the CC on mailing-list posts.
That's the spirit, no doubpt about that.
No solving differences, flame away. *sheesh*
Rui
-- 
Today is Pungenday, the 3rd day of Chaos in the YOLD 3174

+ No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown

+ Whatever you do will be insignificant,

| but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi

+ So let's do it...?

Except in his case, He is not subscribe to the list and if you don't cc

him, he will simply not get it.
Plus, he is rude on the list by passing fud, so nothing wrong to be rude

-----Original Message-----

From: owner-misc@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-misc@openbsd.org] On Behalf

Of

Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:21 PM

To: misc@openbsd.org

Subject: Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men
It appears that even if you _do_ cc him, he doesn't get it...

Yet you have no idea whether these people are subscribed to these
Isn't it rude to prevent people from receiving answers they are

seeking? Not everyone not subscribed to this list will end his/her

messages with a ``please cc: me as I am not subscribed'' notice, because

they expect people to do the right thing. Which is ``reply to all''.
If duplicate answers bother you, train your mail user agent to merge

them.

If they are not, why do their emails get into the mailing list?
Some moderator enjoys letting flames come up? That's even more
Their problem.
Rui
--

Frink!

Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 4th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3174

+ No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown

+ Whatever you do will be insignificant,

| but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi

+ So let's do it...?

I could apply the same attitude to people who complain about getting the

same message twice.

This is a unmoderated list and unsubscribed people can mail to it.

If one doesn't want to hear what outsiders want to say, then perhaps

posting should be restricted to list members.
Rui
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This statement is false.

Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 4th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3174

+ No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown

+ Whatever you do will be insignificant,

| but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi

+ So let's do it...?

Who said anything about that? The discussion was about cc.

You need to keep on subject and don't make up things.