Watch your blood pressure there Stuart.
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From: "Stuart VanZee"<StuartV@datalinesys.com>
Sent: 3-1-08 20:23:52
To: "Openbsd Misc (E-mail)"<misc@openbsd.org>
Subject: Re: FW: Real men don't attack straw men
CASE... not cases, you have come up with one CASE. One example, IF
I chose to believe in your modification of the original statement
that sparked this thread (which I don't) and believe that Mr. Stallman
was speaking of non-free software in packages your side of the argument
gets smaller and smaller. See what happens when you have to prove your
argument? It all boils down to you having an issue with ONE package.
A game at that. Not production software, or a web browser, or an email
package, a game. A single game that, from the tone of your argument
must be destroying all that free software stands for. Guess what...
I read the license text for that game and it sounds exactly like what
your precious GPL would say if it was boiled down to it's most basic
components. You can have the source code... You can modify the source
code... You just can't use the source code for your commercial
application. Sound familiar? That is almost exactly what I was told
by a GPL Zealot that the GPL lic was all about when I was first
introduced to Linux so many years ago.
So your example of why OpenBSD isn't free is a farce. It wouldn't
bother me if the OpenBSD devs decided to axe that package. If I
wanted to use it I could install it from ports just fine, I usually
do anyway, but the argument that they should do so to fit yours or
Mr Stallman's ideals of what free software is about are wrong on so
many levels.
It comes down to trying to force others to live by your ideals. It's
just like the christian croud thinking that it's ok to discriminate
against the pagans because it would take such a small thing for them
(us) to convert to christianity. Never mind that many of us pagans
view christianity as a violent death cult, so why would we ever want
to. You say that it would be such a small thing for the OpenBSD
project to do to live up to your ideals when it comes to free software
but quite frankly, I think that many of the OpenBSD crowd think that
your ideals are wrong. Freedom is all about freedom of choice,
If that means people choose non-free software on OpenBSD at least they
are using OpenBSD which is in itself free software. OpenBSD with ALL
the non-free software from ports (yes, really ports) would still be a
much more free system than any Windows system using as much free apps
as a person could find for it.
childish-tantrum? You know, when you resort to attacking the character
of the other persons argument rather than argue the facts of your case
it means you have pretty much lost the debate and have nothing more to
say.
Ok... I get it... You are saying that zangband is such an important piece
of software that it alone is the cause of the downfall of free software.
Because OpenBSD distributes zangband nobody has any reason to install a
free OS or switch from MS Office to free office production software.
No... wait... I don't get it. zangband is a GAME. It could fall off the
face of the earth and nobody would blink. The few people who play it would
move on to the next game.
I can't believe that this thread has gone on this long and this one GAME
is what it is all about. Oh wait.... it really isn't, but when we boil
the argument down, it does become the final stand for a free software
zealot who didn't realize that he didn't have a real position in the
first case
s
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