On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 05:48:13PM +0000, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:

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> On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 12:05:37PM -0500, Stuart VanZee wrote:

> > Wow... it is incredibly telling that you chose a game, a pretty

> > obscure one at that as far as I can tell, to base your argument on.

> >

> > The world will fall because OpenBSD "recommends" that people

> > install a game... a game that is free to copy and use for non-

> > commercial use (I looked it up), and you had to go through almost

> > the ENTIRE package collection all the way to the Zs before you

> > could find such a pitiful example.

>

> Because they are such pitiful cases, they could be easily removed and

> remove Stallman's objections to list OpenBSD at the recommended Free

> Software operating systems, right? More promotion of OpenBSD would be

> good, right?

His recommendation is as empty as his ideals.  They are "Free" from any

rational thought.
More promotion for OpenBSD is only good if it benefits the project.

Having a bunch of morons show up is not a goal.  We aren't after

conquering the world unlike some other projects.
>

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> Stopping this childish-tantrum regarding the FSF would also be very much

> more productive.

It would be nice if people would stop defending non defensible

hypocritical positions.  His arguments are a misleading hyperbole.
>

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> > This discussion all started because Mr. Stallman very publicly

> > stated that OpenBSD was non-free and distributed non-free software

> > in it's ports tree.

>

> He didn't say OpenBSD was non-free, but that it distributed non-free

> Software.

Which is inaccurate.
>

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> Looking at

> ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/4.2/packages/i386/zangband-2.6.2p1.tgz

>

> ... seems to me pretty a pretty clear case.

>

> > I am pretty sure he had no knowledge of

> > zangband and it's non-free license.  He was talking about non-free

> > software in the ports tree.

>

> BTW, I think he was (as I frequently happen to by "abuse of language")

> referring to the packages site, e.g.:

>

> http://www.openbsd.org/4.2_packages/i386.html

>

> Best,

> Rui

>

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