On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 04:50:27PM +0000, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:

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> On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:04:44AM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote:

> > On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 03:53:26PM +0000, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:

> > > Since I'm (at least) smart enough not to install proprietary software,

> > > I don't have a strong problem with it, but for someone like RMS who

> > > want's to be able to recommend strictly Free Software operating systems,

> > > this can be seen as a severe drawback.

> > >

> >

> > Just a few questions then:

> >

> > 	- Why is it so easy to use gcc and emacs from Windows XP

> > 	  without ever having to even know about gNewSense ? I'd

> > 	  lie if I said I knew gNewSense before Stallman came to

> > 	  troll here, and I've been working with people who make

> > 	  a great use of gcc and emacs on Windows. Can't this be

> > 	  seen as a severe drawback ?

>

> No, they are using more Free Software than before. The opposit is a

> drawback, IMHO, because more people is using proprietary software.

> 

So basically, as long as you can adapt your rules conveniently its ok ?
According to this new rule, how comes it is a drawback to provide users

with the freedom to install proprietary applications if it makes them

use more free software (i.e: users installing OpenBSD because they know

they will be able to achieve some task vs. people installing Windows

because they are unable to achieve the same task under OpenBSD) ?
If we don't provide some proprietary app, wouldn't we discourage use of

a free system by forcing users to chose another system ? Or are the FSF

rules bending again so that its ok for you but not for us ?
> > 	- What makes you think you are smarter than anybody just

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> > 	  because you don't install proprietary software ?

>

> Not smarter, at least smart enough on this subject not to do that.

>

> > 	  and impose my choices on them. Do you see what I mean?

>

> I do, but you didn't see what I meant. Maybe I wasn't clear enough for

> you.

>

That's probably because I am not smart enough, I am not 100% pure.
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Gilles Chehade