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From:
Allie D. <df@...>
To: misc@openbsd.org >> OpenBSD Listserv <misc@...>
Subject:
Re: Real men don't attack straw men
Date: Thursday, January 3, 2008 - 11:05 am
Mayuresh Kathe wrote:
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> Mr. Stallman, I respect you for what you've managed to achieve as an individual.
>
> But, frankly, this thread has really gotten way out of control.
>
> A few days back everything had kind-a settled down and we got the
> impression that the thread had fortunately died, but that's not been
> the case, you are struggling hard to lay out your viewpoints which
> seem a tad bit twisted from where we look at it.
>
> Nobody out here is going to listen to what you're going to say, and
> you are going to go on and on about how you were justified in labeling
> OpenBSD as not compliant with your interpretation of the word "free",
> which we don't give a farthing for.
>
> No offense, but, please, please go away, we really don't want you
> here, and on your way out, please take your minions along with you.
>
> ~Mayuresh
+1....just go away Richard, you're REALLY annoying.
quoted text
>
> On Jan 3, 2008 3:20 PM, Richard Stallman wrote:
>> In fact many of the people did expect this when you favorite
>> organization lost the battle publically on Reyk's code that your
>> friends stole and tried to impose your license on it, and when they
>> even tried vainly to go legal by the advice of a un-educated american
>> lawyer but finally foun that they have just embarrassed themselves in
>> public.
>>
>> I don't know who or what that refers to. I do know that my favorite
>> organization is the Free Softwar Foundation, and I know it has not
>> been involved in anything that fits that description.
>>
>> I suspect this is related to the harsh message Theo sent me a few
>> months ago, which rebuked what "you" (was that me? the FSF?) had done.
>> He mentioned the name "Reyk" (which I don't recognize) and said it had
>> something to do with a license. But he did not go into details.
>> The FSF was not involved in the matter.
>>
>> I could have investigated what he was talking about and determined
>> what conduct he had criticized. Then, supposing I wanted to give them
>> some advice, I could have asked someone to find the developers'
>> addresses, and written to them. Then they might or might not have
>> listened to me.
>>
>> I could have done all that, but I saw no reason to go so far out of my
>> way for someone who was treating me rather badly. So I simply told
>> him that the FSF was not involved in the matter.
>>
>> I know that one part of your description events is wrong--the part
>> that says, that my "favorite organization" has "lost the battle
>> [publicly]". My favorite organization, the FSF, was not involved. If
>> any of "my friends" were involved, they did not inform me.
>>
>> Those errors make me skeptical of the rest of your claims. Did
>> someone lose a battle? Did anyone really "steal" anything? I don't
>> know, but I won't take your word for it. Did they "try to go legal"?
>> If so, was it "vainly"? If they got legal advice, was their lawyer
>> "un-educated"? Was the outcome embarrassing for someone? I don't
>> know.
>>
>> Whoever would like to know the answers to these questions would do
>> well to check on his own.
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