Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

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From: Richard Stallman
Date: Thursday, January 3, 2008 - 2:50 am

I don't, however, I don't claim to live by the same free vs non-free 
    rules, I use what works for me.

Since these principles are not yours, you could very well have
misunderstood them.  So you are criticizing me for something that
neither you nor I says is wrong.  What's the point?

    There is a free copier of hardware: you, me, or anyone with a certian 
    amount of skill, and the required wires and other parts.  This is how 
    the entire home PC business started, the whole homebrew market. 

That's true for some kinds of hardware, to a limited extemt.  But
building copies by hand is very different from having a copier that
will copy them automatically.  I don't consider them ethically the
same.

    Hardware has source code.  Virtually every major piece of a computer is 
    written and modelled in Verilog or VHDL these days, which is bytes on a 
    disk, in ASCII characters, which sounds pretty much like code. 

"Source code" and "plans" are not the same thing.  What makes software
source code special is that a program can compile it into a working
executable.  To turn the plans for a chip into a working chip, you need
a fab line that costs millions of dollars.

Some day, if we all have personal fabs that can make chips, and robots
that can assemble them into computers, the situation for chips will be
much more like the situation for software today.  In that situation it
might very well be important to campaign agains non-free chips and
non-free computers.  But in today's situation there is no reason
to do so.

    Technology can allow for "free" hardware, just as well as it can for 
    hardware.  If there is "open-source" and "free" hardware designs and 
    code, anyone with a FPGA, or availability of various other technologies 
    can take this hardware design, make changes, and make it better.

You are talking about programs for FPGAs.  Those are software, and if
they run on platforms where it is normal to install different
software, then they should be free.

But I think the FPGAs in products are more like the possible computer
in my microwave oven: nobody installs software in them, so they might
as well be circuits.
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[Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Tue Jan 1, 1:48 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Tue Jan 1, 12:37 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Tue Jan 1, 2:24 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Tony Abernethy, (Tue Jan 1, 2:54 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Adrian Fisher, (Tue Jan 1, 2:58 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 1, 3:02 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Tue Jan 1, 4:04 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 1, 4:09 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Ray Percival, (Tue Jan 1, 4:12 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware] , L, (Tue Jan 1, 4:12 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], marina, (Tue Jan 1, 7:37 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Tue Jan 1, 9:03 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 2:49 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 2:49 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 2:50 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 2:50 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 2:50 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], weingart, (Thu Jan 3, 10:28 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Fri Jan 4, 7:46 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Alexander Terekhov, (Fri Jan 4, 9:25 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Fri Jan 4, 10:54 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Fri Jan 4, 10:54 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Sat Jan 5, 12:22 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Sunnz, (Sat Jan 5, 7:05 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sat Jan 5, 7:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Sat Jan 5, 9:57 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Sat Jan 5, 10:05 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Alexander Terekhov, (Sat Jan 5, 2:52 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sun Jan 6, 1:09 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Sunnz, (Sun Jan 6, 2:40 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sun Jan 6, 3:46 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Dave Anderson, (Sun Jan 6, 9:32 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Sun Jan 6, 10:55 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sun Jan 6, 11:09 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sun Jan 6, 11:10 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Sun Jan 6, 12:12 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Sun Jan 6, 12:38 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Sun Jan 6, 12:47 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Sun Jan 6, 1:00 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Sun Jan 6, 1:05 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Sun Jan 6, 4:30 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Sunnz, (Sun Jan 6, 6:54 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Sun Jan 6, 7:28 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 4:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 4:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 4:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 4:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Alexander Terekhov, (Mon Jan 7, 6:05 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Mon Jan 7, 6:53 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Mon Jan 7, 6:58 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Matthew Dempsky, (Mon Jan 7, 9:49 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 10:15 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 10:15 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 10:16 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], William Boshuck, (Mon Jan 7, 10:17 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], weingart, (Mon Jan 7, 10:40 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Mon Jan 7, 10:55 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Mon Jan 7, 12:09 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Mon Jan 7, 12:29 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Gilles Chehade, (Mon Jan 7, 1:04 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Gilles Chehade, (Mon Jan 7, 1:23 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 8, 10:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 8, 10:39 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Eric Furman, (Tue Jan 8, 12:38 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], ropers, (Tue Jan 8, 5:15 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 8, 5:20 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Alexander Terekhov, (Tue Jan 8, 7:13 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Tue Jan 8, 8:37 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Tue Jan 8, 9:20 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Wed Jan 9, 4:04 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], bofh, (Wed Jan 9, 7:48 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Kevin Wilcox, (Wed Jan 9, 8:44 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Wed Jan 9, 10:01 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Wed Jan 9, 11:44 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], kevin, (Wed Jan 9, 10:11 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Tony Abernethy, (Wed Jan 9, 10:42 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Thu Jan 10, 5:06 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Kevin Wilcox, (Thu Jan 10, 6:56 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Kevin Wilcox, (Thu Jan 10, 7:54 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Uwe Stuehler, (Mon Jan 14, 7:56 am)