Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

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Date: Tuesday, January 1, 2008 - 10:37 pm

Most of us on this list are happy to see software and hardware that
is open source.

Might i most respectfully suggest that this is not the best venue to
promote this. We agree on a lot of points.

Dr Stallman i now see the dogged determination that has made you effective,
however i have to note that this is not the best venue to make this fight. I am
sure there are more companies out there you could help push to free their hardware
or software.

--- Marina Brown
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I'm curious how you can recomend an OS, like gNewSense that only runs on
non-free hardware, that
has required non-free software to be used in it's creation?

How do you do these things? Perhaps I do them the same way.

The term "non-free hardware" is misleading, because the issues that
divide free software from non-free software do not apply to hardware.
There are no copiers for hardware and it has no source code.

As for Intels use of non-ree software, I am sorry for them, and I hope
that someday they will be able to move to free software.

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[Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Tue Jan 1, 4:48 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Tue Jan 1, 5:24 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Adrian Fisher, (Tue Jan 1, 5:58 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Wed Jan 2, 12:03 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 5:50 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 5:50 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], , (Thu Jan 3, 1:28 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sat Jan 5, 1:54 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Sat Jan 5, 12:57 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Alexander Terekhov, (Sat Jan 5, 5:52 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sun Jan 6, 2:10 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Uwe Stuehler, (Mon Jan 14, 10:56 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Sun Jan 6, 10:28 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Sunnz, (Sun Jan 6, 9:54 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 1:15 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 8, 1:39 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Mon Jan 7, 3:29 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Sun Jan 6, 4:00 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Sun Jan 6, 4:05 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Sun Jan 6, 3:12 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 7:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], William Boshuck, (Mon Jan 7, 1:17 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Mon Jan 7, 9:53 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sat Jan 5, 1:54 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Sat Jan 5, 3:22 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Sunnz, (Sat Jan 5, 10:05 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sun Jan 6, 4:09 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Dave Anderson, (Sun Jan 6, 12:32 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 1:16 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Sunnz, (Sun Jan 6, 5:40 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sun Jan 6, 2:09 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Sun Jan 6, 3:47 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 7:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Sun Jan 6, 1:55 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 1:15 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Gilles Chehade, (Mon Jan 7, 4:04 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], , (Mon Jan 7, 1:40 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Mon Jan 7, 1:55 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Sun Jan 6, 3:38 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 7:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Eric Furman, (Tue Jan 8, 3:38 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 8, 8:20 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Kevin Wilcox, (Wed Jan 9, 11:44 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Wed Jan 9, 2:44 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], , (Thu Jan 10, 1:11 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Thu Jan 10, 8:06 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Kevin Wilcox, (Thu Jan 10, 10:54 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Tony Abernethy, (Thu Jan 10, 1:42 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Kevin Wilcox, (Thu Jan 10, 9:56 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Wed Jan 9, 1:01 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], bofh, (Wed Jan 9, 10:48 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Alexander Terekhov, (Tue Jan 8, 10:13 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Wed Jan 9, 7:04 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Tue Jan 8, 11:37 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Wed Jan 9, 12:20 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Alexander Terekhov, (Mon Jan 7, 9:05 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Mon Jan 7, 3:09 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 5:50 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Fri Jan 4, 10:46 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sat Jan 5, 10:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Sat Jan 5, 1:05 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sun Jan 6, 6:46 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Sun Jan 6, 7:30 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 7:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 8, 1:31 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Mon Jan 7, 9:58 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Gilles Chehade, (Mon Jan 7, 4:23 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Matthew Dempsky, (Mon Jan 7, 12:49 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 1, 7:09 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 5:49 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Tue Jan 1, 7:04 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], , (Tue Jan 1, 10:37 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Ray Percival, (Tue Jan 1, 7:12 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Tony Abernethy, (Tue Jan 1, 5:54 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], ropers, (Tue Jan 8, 8:15 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Tue Jan 1, 3:37 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware] , L, (Tue Jan 1, 7:12 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 5:49 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Alexander Terekhov, (Fri Jan 4, 12:25 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 1, 6:02 pm)