Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware]

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From: marina
Date: Tuesday, January 1, 2008 - 7:37 pm

Most of us on this list are happy to see software and hardware that
is open source.

Might i most respectfully suggest that this is not the best venue to 
promote this. We agree on a lot of points. 

Dr Stallman i now see the dogged determination that has made you effective, 
however i have to note that this is not the best venue to make this fight. I am 
sure there are more companies out there you could help push to free their hardware
or software.

--- Marina Brown
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    I'm curious how you can recomend an OS, like gNewSense that only runs on 
    non-free hardware, that
    has required non-free software to be used in it's creation?

How do you do these things?  Perhaps I do them the same way.

The term "non-free hardware" is misleading, because the issues that
divide free software from non-free software do not apply to hardware.
There are no copiers for hardware and it has no source code.

As for Intels use of non-ree software, I am sorry for them, and I hope
that someday they will be able to move to free software.
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[Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Tue Jan 1, 1:48 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Tue Jan 1, 12:37 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Tue Jan 1, 2:24 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Tony Abernethy, (Tue Jan 1, 2:54 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Adrian Fisher, (Tue Jan 1, 2:58 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 1, 3:02 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Tue Jan 1, 4:04 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 1, 4:09 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Ray Percival, (Tue Jan 1, 4:12 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware] , L, (Tue Jan 1, 4:12 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], marina, (Tue Jan 1, 7:37 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Tue Jan 1, 9:03 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 2:49 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 2:49 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 2:50 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 2:50 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Thu Jan 3, 2:50 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], weingart, (Thu Jan 3, 10:28 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Fri Jan 4, 7:46 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Alexander Terekhov, (Fri Jan 4, 9:25 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Fri Jan 4, 10:54 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Fri Jan 4, 10:54 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Sat Jan 5, 12:22 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Sunnz, (Sat Jan 5, 7:05 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sat Jan 5, 7:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Sat Jan 5, 9:57 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Sat Jan 5, 10:05 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Alexander Terekhov, (Sat Jan 5, 2:52 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sun Jan 6, 1:09 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Sunnz, (Sun Jan 6, 2:40 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sun Jan 6, 3:46 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Dave Anderson, (Sun Jan 6, 9:32 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Sun Jan 6, 10:55 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sun Jan 6, 11:09 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Sun Jan 6, 11:10 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Sun Jan 6, 12:12 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Sun Jan 6, 12:38 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Sun Jan 6, 12:47 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Sun Jan 6, 1:00 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Sun Jan 6, 1:05 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Sun Jan 6, 4:30 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Sunnz, (Sun Jan 6, 6:54 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Sun Jan 6, 7:28 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 4:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 4:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 4:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 4:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Alexander Terekhov, (Mon Jan 7, 6:05 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Mon Jan 7, 6:53 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Mon Jan 7, 6:58 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Matthew Dempsky, (Mon Jan 7, 9:49 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 10:15 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 10:15 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Richard Stallman, (Mon Jan 7, 10:16 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], William Boshuck, (Mon Jan 7, 10:17 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], weingart, (Mon Jan 7, 10:40 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Paul Greidanus, (Mon Jan 7, 10:55 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], L, (Mon Jan 7, 12:09 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Mon Jan 7, 12:29 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Gilles Chehade, (Mon Jan 7, 1:04 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Gilles Chehade, (Mon Jan 7, 1:23 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 8, 10:31 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 8, 10:39 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Eric Furman, (Tue Jan 8, 12:38 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], ropers, (Tue Jan 8, 5:15 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Tue Jan 8, 5:20 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Alexander Terekhov, (Tue Jan 8, 7:13 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Tue Jan 8, 8:37 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Tue Jan 8, 9:20 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Wed Jan 9, 4:04 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], bofh, (Wed Jan 9, 7:48 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Kevin Wilcox, (Wed Jan 9, 8:44 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], chefren, (Wed Jan 9, 10:01 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Wed Jan 9, 11:44 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], kevin, (Wed Jan 9, 10:11 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Tony Abernethy, (Wed Jan 9, 10:42 pm)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Marco Peereboom, (Thu Jan 10, 5:06 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Kevin Wilcox, (Thu Jan 10, 6:56 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Kevin Wilcox, (Thu Jan 10, 7:54 am)
Re: [Fwd: Open-Hardware], Uwe Stuehler, (Mon Jan 14, 7:56 am)