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Date: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 - 6:06 am

In all my experience, every single complex security policy I've seen
has very serious issues.   Complexity kills it. There's always a scenario
somewhere that someone has forgotten about that breaks stuff.

Heck, this even happens with access control systems like PAM. About every
3 months, we hear of a security hole where some distro has managed to ship
an ssh policy that makes it possible for root to login remotely without
entering a password, provided he does not have a DSA key (don't believe my
word, read bugtraq!).

There is no model of complex security authentication systems. There is no
tool that allows people to configure this kind of stuff properly, *and
check the results*. Not just write documents, but actually verify that
*every case* makes sense.   Consider the combinatorial complexity of that.
Consider real information systems, where people either have ten passwords
to remember, or they use some account that's not there, or there is some
temporal incongruity between what should be and what is.

(Tivoli is probably the closest there is to that in the proprietary world).

In the end, you want simple security. If you need ACLs, then you probably
fucked up your design, and decided to add an architectural band-aid to
cater over the holes of the broken design.

That said, ACLs and mandatory access control make for great security theater
(see Bruce Schneier's website if you don't get the reference).
It's the kind of expertise that allows consulting business to make a living
in security IT.

Not much actual security, though.
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OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Douglas A. Tutty, (Sat Sep 22, 11:34 am)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Damien Miller, (Mon Sep 24, 11:09 pm)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Chris Kuethe, (Mon Sep 24, 10:52 am)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Marco Peereboom, (Sat Sep 22, 11:27 pm)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, L. V. Lammert, (Sat Sep 22, 7:47 pm)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sun Sep 23, 5:54 pm)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Ted Unangst, (Mon Sep 24, 1:29 pm)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Jacob Yocom-Piatt, (Mon Sep 24, 2:17 pm)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Ted Unangst, (Mon Sep 24, 3:14 pm)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Brian Candler, (Mon Sep 24, 11:31 am)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Mon Sep 24, 11:59 am)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Marc Espie, (Tue Sep 25, 6:06 am)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Marc Espie, (Tue Sep 25, 8:34 am)
Re: digitally signed distribution (was: OBSD's perspective o..., Martin Schröder, (Mon Sep 24, 11:18 am)
Re: digitally signed distribution (was: OBSD's perspective o..., Martin Schröder, (Mon Sep 24, 12:02 pm)
Re: digitally signed distribution (was: OBSD's perspective o..., Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sun Sep 23, 6:38 pm)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Ted Unangst, (Sat Sep 22, 2:50 pm)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Douglas A. Tutty, (Sat Sep 22, 4:21 pm)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, , (Sat Sep 22, 7:20 pm)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Stuart Henderson, (Sat Sep 22, 4:00 pm)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Joachim Schipper, (Sat Sep 22, 12:29 pm)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Ihar Hrachyshka, (Sat Sep 22, 12:45 pm)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Joachim Schipper, (Sat Sep 22, 4:39 pm)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Darrin Chandler, (Sat Sep 22, 12:00 pm)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Eduardo Tongson, (Sat Sep 22, 12:52 pm)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Jason Dixon, (Sat Sep 22, 12:20 pm)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Douglas A. Tutty, (Sat Sep 22, 1:21 pm)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Ihar Hrachyshka, (Sat Sep 22, 1:38 pm)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, David Gwynne, (Mon Sep 24, 10:08 am)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Jason Dixon, (Mon Sep 24, 10:25 am)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, , (Mon Sep 24, 2:28 pm)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Brian Candler, (Sun Sep 23, 3:25 pm)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Eduardo Tongson, (Sat Sep 22, 2:00 pm)
Re: OBSD's perspective on SELinux, Jeffrey 'jf' Lim, (Sat Sep 22, 12:26 pm)
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