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To: Claudio Jeker <cjeker@...>, Adrian Bunk <bunk@...>, Can E. Acar <can.acar@...>, <misc@...>, <linux-kernel@...>, Daniel Hazelton <dhazelton@...>, Eben Moglen <moglen@...>, Lawrence Lessig <lessig_from_web@...>, Bradley M. Kuhn <bkuhn@...>, Matt Norwood <norwood@...>
Date: Monday, September 17, 2007 - 4:43 pm

On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 09:23:41PM +0200, Claudio Jeker wrote:

Number 1, some of the Linux wireless developers screwed up earlier
versions.  No denying that, the problems were pointed out during the
patch reviewed problem, AND THEY WERE FIXED.

Number 2, if you take a look at their latest set of changes (which
have still not been accepted), the HAL code is under a pure BSD
license (ath5k_hw.c).  Other portions are dual licensed, but not the
HAL --- if people would only take a look at

http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/linville/wireless-dev.git;a=tree;f=drivers/n...

And yet, the BSD folks seem to continue to nurse the above mantra
(which was true, but quickly corrected) combined with the "and the
Linux folks aren't listening", which is manifestly not true.  We might
not agree with everything you are saying, and we might think you're
being highly hypocritical, but we are listening.


In the original BSD 4.3 code, if I recall correctly, /bin/true was 12
lines of AT&T copyright and the standard "this is proprietary
non-published trade secret" legalease with the standard threats of
bazillions and bazillions of damage due to AT&T's irreparable harm if
the file was ever disclosed....  followed by "exit 0".  :-)

Personally, I find that issues of copyright are much more easily
discussed if people keep a sense of balance and humor.  

						- Ted
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Re: Wasting our Freedom, Can E. Acar, (Sun Sep 16, 2:48 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jeff Garzik, (Sun Sep 16, 3:40 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Sep 16, 3:59 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Hannah Schroeter, (Sun Sep 16, 4:39 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Sun Sep 16, 5:13 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Hannah Schroeter, (Mon Sep 17, 5:20 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 17, 9:38 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 17, 11:25 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 17, 12:18 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Paul de Weerd, (Mon Sep 17, 11:15 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 17, 11:38 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Paul de Weerd, (Mon Sep 17, 2:02 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 17, 2:32 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Paul de Weerd, (Mon Sep 17, 3:27 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jason Dixon, (Mon Sep 17, 3:09 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 17, 3:44 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jason Dixon, (Mon Sep 17, 3:50 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Sun Sep 16, 5:12 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Claudio Jeker, (Mon Sep 17, 8:55 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Mon Sep 17, 9:34 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Claudio Jeker, (Mon Sep 17, 3:23 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Mon Sep 17, 4:43 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Henning Brauer, (Tue Sep 18, 5:00 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Marco Peereboom, (Tue Sep 18, 7:29 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Tue Sep 18, 8:56 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jacob Meuser, (Tue Sep 18, 7:34 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Alan Cox, (Tue Sep 18, 8:24 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Marco Peereboom, (Tue Sep 18, 1:15 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Gilles Chehade, (Tue Sep 18, 7:28 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Denis Doroshenko, (Tue Sep 18, 11:47 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, frantisek holop, (Tue Sep 18, 11:55 am)
Re: Wasting our Bandwidth, Xavier Bestel, (Tue Sep 18, 8:04 am)
Re: Wasting our Bandwidth, Marco Peereboom, (Tue Sep 18, 8:24 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Can E. Acar, (Mon Sep 17, 6:06 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Mon Sep 17, 7:47 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Can E. Acar, (Tue Sep 18, 2:55 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Martin Schlemmer, (Tue Sep 18, 6:24 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jeff Garzik, (Tue Sep 18, 3:37 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Lennart Sorensen, (Tue Sep 18, 3:04 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Can E. Acar, (Tue Sep 18, 3:51 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Dries Schellekens, (Mon Sep 17, 7:07 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Hannah Schroeter, (Mon Sep 17, 7:18 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Krzysztof Halasa, (Mon Sep 17, 9:39 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 17, 11:20 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Krzysztof Halasa, (Mon Sep 17, 4:35 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 17, 5:09 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Krzysztof Halasa, (Mon Sep 17, 7:35 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 17, 8:03 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Al Viro, (Mon Sep 17, 8:44 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Mon Sep 17, 3:50 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Theodore Tso, (Mon Sep 17, 8:19 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jacob Meuser, (Sun Sep 16, 7:16 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, , (Sun Sep 16, 7:40 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Ingo Schwarze, (Mon Sep 17, 7:56 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jeff Garzik, (Sun Sep 16, 8:01 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Henning Brauer, (Mon Sep 17, 5:30 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 17, 8:57 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Ingo Schwarze, (Mon Sep 17, 5:39 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jason Dixon, (Mon Sep 17, 9:15 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Hans-Jürgen Koch, (Mon Sep 17, 9:19 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Sean, (Mon Sep 17, 9:27 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jason Dixon, (Mon Sep 17, 9:33 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Adrian Bunk, (Mon Sep 17, 9:42 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Helge Hafting, (Mon Sep 17, 3:47 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jacob Meuser, (Mon Sep 17, 7:50 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Helge Hafting, (Tue Sep 18, 7:17 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, David Newall, (Mon Sep 17, 9:28 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Daniel Hazelton, (Sun Sep 16, 5:11 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Hannah Schroeter, (Mon Sep 17, 5:10 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, David Schwartz, (Mon Sep 17, 8:08 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, frantisek holop, (Tue Sep 18, 9:58 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Daniel Hazelton, (Sun Sep 16, 4:32 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Can E. Acar, (Sun Sep 16, 11:00 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Krzysztof Halasa, (Mon Sep 17, 8:10 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Jeff Garzik, (Sun Sep 16, 11:32 pm)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Daniel Hazelton, (Mon Sep 17, 1:33 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Can E. Acar, (Mon Sep 17, 2:43 am)
Re: Wasting our Freedom, Daniel Hazelton, (Mon Sep 17, 3:36 am)
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