Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words

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Date: Monday, September 17, 2007 - 7:48 am

On 9/15/07, Richard Stallman wrote:

Are you joking?
Where is you stand on ethics and freedom of software now?

Are you just another politician with great swelling words of emptiness?

I did sent a mail to misc@ and if you have not seen it here is an excerpt below.

I really pity your followers who have a leader who remains dumb and
cannot bark when he sees the theif!!! And you claim to guard freedom
of software!!!
Isn't this pure mockery???

Apart from your words and all the philosophy masala you spew out what
is your stand when it comes to a real issue like this?

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1) Richard Stallman who presented an award publically to Theo for "his
selfless commitment to Free Software " has so far said nothing about
this incident.

Stallman presented an award to Theo in Public.
For what?
This is an issue Theo has been speaking in public for a long time now.
And I think Stalman has a moral responsibility to say either the Linux
Developers are right and Theo is wrong or vice versa.
If Theo is right then Stallman has the moral responsibility to aid him
to fight against the viloations. Or else I think the award giving and
stuff like that is just a farce.

His Silence in this matter is "Marvelous" given th fact that he does
demonstrations against companies for the cause of Freedom and Justice
etc.

2) Linus cannot tolerate including the BSD Licenced Software in his
kernel as said by some of his own kernel developers. Can he accept
them once the BSD Licence clause is Just removed? There might be a
reason for the first. But He has a moral responsibility to speak about
this matter too. He has to say either his developers are right nd he
endorse their actions or that his developers made a mistake and they
should back out.

His silence on this issue is also marvelous.

Alan cox has made clear his stand that what the Linux Developers have
done is perfectly legal, if not moral or ethical.

I just wonder if this silence is because they want to have the cake
and eat it too.
I.e they want to do the wrong thing and support it in private but as
well as keep up their image of being for the free software movement in
public.

I think people who are involved in this and have spoken in support for
this are now embarrassed about it because the whole world have seen
their stupidity and caught them pants down.

Where as they would not extend even a small finger of mercy to a
developer who made a mistake with their GPL code earlier but would
tear him in pieces in public they now do worse things deliberately and
act like thugs who are backed up by lawyers.

Their leaders remain mute even after many day since the folly is exposed.
I am not much concerned about a few guys who speak in support of this
indecent act because they don't understand it even after being
explained several times by several people from all angles BUT I am
quite concerned about this trend from their leaders like Stalman and
Linus.

Their silence is quite irresponsible!!!!!
Maybe they are still thinking about a way to deal with this stupidity
in public without their skin being hurt.

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Thank you so much

Kind Regards

Siju

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