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To: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms@...>
Cc: Paul de Weerd <weerd@...>, Sebastien Carlier <sebastien.carlier@...>, <misc@...>, Richard Stallman <rms@...>
Date: Friday, September 14, 2007 - 6:25 pm

On Friday 14 September 2007, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
wrote:

Hello again Rui,

Though copyright laws and even more so, reverse engineering laws, vary 
around the world, I'll try to explain to you how things work here in 
the US. Over here, if you own a copy of a program, you can modify it as 
much as you want with the exception of circumventing copyright 
protection mechanisms due the DMCA. Prior to the enactment of the DMCA, 
you could do anything you wanted with your copy of the work.

Though you may see "no reverse engineering" clauses in many commercial 
licenses, they actually are null and void because you have the right to 
modify your copy of the work. Of course, most commercial software 
forbids redistribution, so you cannot redistribute your modified 
version of the work/program, but the only thing stopping you from 
modifying a closed source binary application is your own ability.

In the US, and in many countries, you have the right to modify any work 
to suit your personal needs. It's the law and no license terms can 
remove your right, so it is impossible for an end user to lose freedom.

Though you are right that ordinary people have a responsibility to know 
the law and that lawyers are merely paid experts, you have none the 
less failed in your responsibility. You have obviously never bothering 
to read any of the copyright laws on any nation, or any of the relevant 
case law or findings, or any of the international treaties regarding 
copyrights.

Of course, you are free to have strong feelings about whatever you like, 
and hold opinions based on flawed understanding, but as long as you 
insist on remaining uneducated about the laws, you are failing yourself 
and failing your supposed "duty" to make things clear. Please stop.

jcr
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The Atheros story in much fewer words, Theo de Raadt, (Wed Sep 12, 10:57 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, steve szmidt, (Thu Sep 13, 4:07 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Claudio Jeker, (Thu Sep 13, 4:26 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words , Theo de Raadt, (Thu Sep 13, 4:19 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, steve szmidt, (Thu Sep 13, 6:27 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Daniel Ouellet, (Thu Sep 13, 5:33 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Craig Skinner, (Fri Sep 14, 4:05 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Bob Beck, (Fri Sep 14, 10:14 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Bob Beck, (Fri Sep 14, 10:26 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Nick Holland, (Thu Sep 13, 7:09 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Shawn K. Quinn, (Thu Sep 13, 3:08 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Nick Holland, (Fri Sep 14, 12:30 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Shawn K. Quinn, (Sat Sep 15, 2:25 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Siju George, (Fri Sep 14, 9:25 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Craig Skinner, (Fri Sep 14, 4:05 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Jeremy C. Reed, (Thu Sep 13, 5:41 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, bofh, (Thu Sep 13, 6:14 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Paul de Weerd, (Thu Sep 13, 4:15 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Thu Sep 13, 5:25 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Paul de Weerd, (Fri Sep 14, 2:12 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Fri Sep 14, 3:42 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Paul de Weerd, (Fri Sep 14, 5:49 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Fri Sep 14, 6:13 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Greg Thomas, (Fri Sep 14, 1:09 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sat Sep 15, 7:30 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Sebastien Carlier, (Fri Sep 14, 7:39 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Shawn K. Quinn, (Sat Sep 15, 2:02 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Fri Sep 14, 7:24 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Siegbert Marschall, (Wed Sep 26, 8:32 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Gilles Chehade, (Wed Sep 26, 2:42 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Paul de Weerd, (Fri Sep 14, 8:29 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Richard Stallman, (Fri Sep 14, 10:09 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Siju George, (Mon Sep 17, 7:48 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Richard Stallman, (Mon Sep 17, 6:24 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Jack J. Woehr, (Mon Sep 17, 6:46 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Marco Peereboom, (Sat Sep 15, 1:40 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, David H. Lynch Jr., (Fri Sep 14, 4:32 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Jeroen Massar, (Fri Sep 14, 8:21 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Fri Sep 14, 11:06 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, J.C. Roberts, (Fri Sep 14, 6:25 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sat Sep 15, 7:33 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, J.C. Roberts, (Sat Sep 15, 9:34 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sun Sep 16, 7:56 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Marc Espie, (Sat Sep 15, 9:53 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sat Sep 15, 12:59 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Tony Abernethy, (Sat Sep 15, 1:49 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Tony Abernethy, (Sat Sep 15, 8:11 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sat Sep 15, 9:40 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Jeroen Massar, (Sat Sep 15, 7:58 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sat Sep 15, 9:43 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Tony Abernethy, (Sat Sep 15, 10:10 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Damien Miller, (Sat Sep 15, 7:54 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sat Sep 15, 9:45 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Damien Miller, (Sat Sep 15, 6:19 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, William Boshuck, (Sat Sep 15, 7:34 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sun Sep 16, 7:29 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Tony Abernethy, (Sat Sep 15, 8:25 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sat Sep 15, 9:48 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Tony Abernethy, (Sat Sep 15, 10:13 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sat Sep 15, 12:56 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Marco Peereboom, (Sat Sep 15, 1:45 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Daniel Ouellet, (Fri Sep 14, 5:29 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sat Sep 15, 7:36 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Greg Thomas, (Fri Sep 14, 1:18 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Paul de Weerd, (Fri Sep 14, 11:55 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Jack J. Woehr, (Fri Sep 14, 11:19 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Sebastien Carlier, (Fri Sep 14, 8:50 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, David H. Lynch Jr., (Fri Sep 14, 4:55 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Sebastien Carlier, (Fri Sep 14, 6:06 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Fri Sep 14, 10:58 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Tony Abernethy, (Fri Sep 14, 7:52 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Tony Abernethy, (Fri Sep 14, 6:31 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Jeroen Massar, (Fri Sep 14, 6:27 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Fri Sep 14, 7:51 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Tony Abernethy, (Fri Sep 14, 8:03 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Reiner Jung, (Thu Sep 13, 6:50 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Thu Sep 13, 6:58 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Marco Peereboom, (Thu Sep 13, 7:28 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Fri Sep 14, 3:46 am)
Re: The Atheros story ... Rui trolling again., Siegbert Marschall, (Wed Sep 26, 8:22 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Reiner Jung, (Thu Sep 13, 7:29 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Fri Sep 14, 3:44 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Darren Spruell, (Thu Sep 13, 3:32 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Shawn K. Quinn, (Thu Sep 13, 3:37 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words , Theo de Raadt, (Thu Sep 13, 3:57 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Marco Peereboom, (Thu Sep 13, 8:48 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, J.C. Roberts, (Fri Sep 14, 5:11 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Marc Espie, (Fri Sep 14, 4:46 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Claudio Jeker, (Thu Sep 13, 12:21 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Darren Spruell, (Thu Sep 13, 1:16 pm)
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