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To: Sebastien Carlier <sebastien.carlier@...>, <misc@...>
Date: Friday, September 14, 2007 - 4:55 pm

Sebastien Carlier wrote:
    Total freedom without coercion is anarchy.
    By adopting a copyright and a license BSD has rejected anarchy and
    accepted the coercive force of the law. Repeatedly there have been
    cries on this list to force the Linux/GPL developers into complying 
with the BSD License.
    
    The BSD License defines obeying copyright law, complying with the 
license and crediting the
    original authors as acceptable restrictions on one's freedoms.
    Failing to preserve a copyright/license/credit is a BSD example of a 
"Bad Freedom"

    The only distinction between a BSD License and the GPL is the 
author's view of
    which freedoms are good and which are bad. 

   If you are really claiming that BSD Licenses offer "total freedom",
   make's no distinctions between the values of different freedoms,
   and is completely non-coercive then why are BSD developers upset over 
The Atheros HAL ?
   The anger is because more freedom has been taken than your license 
offered.
   
    You can not have total freedom absent coercion, and copyright's and 
licenses.
     They are incompatible.

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The Atheros story in much fewer words, Theo de Raadt, (Wed Sep 12, 10:57 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, steve szmidt, (Thu Sep 13, 4:07 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Claudio Jeker, (Thu Sep 13, 4:26 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words , Theo de Raadt, (Thu Sep 13, 4:19 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, steve szmidt, (Thu Sep 13, 6:27 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Daniel Ouellet, (Thu Sep 13, 5:33 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Craig Skinner, (Fri Sep 14, 4:05 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Bob Beck, (Fri Sep 14, 10:14 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Bob Beck, (Fri Sep 14, 10:26 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Nick Holland, (Thu Sep 13, 7:09 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Shawn K. Quinn, (Thu Sep 13, 3:08 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Nick Holland, (Fri Sep 14, 12:30 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Shawn K. Quinn, (Sat Sep 15, 2:25 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Siju George, (Fri Sep 14, 9:25 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Craig Skinner, (Fri Sep 14, 4:05 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Jeremy C. Reed, (Thu Sep 13, 5:41 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, bofh, (Thu Sep 13, 6:14 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Paul de Weerd, (Thu Sep 13, 4:15 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Thu Sep 13, 5:25 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Paul de Weerd, (Fri Sep 14, 2:12 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Fri Sep 14, 3:42 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Paul de Weerd, (Fri Sep 14, 5:49 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Fri Sep 14, 6:13 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Greg Thomas, (Fri Sep 14, 1:09 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sat Sep 15, 7:30 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Sebastien Carlier, (Fri Sep 14, 7:39 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Shawn K. Quinn, (Sat Sep 15, 2:02 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Fri Sep 14, 7:24 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Siegbert Marschall, (Wed Sep 26, 8:32 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Gilles Chehade, (Wed Sep 26, 2:42 am)
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Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Marco Peereboom, (Sat Sep 15, 1:40 pm)
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Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Fri Sep 14, 11:06 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, J.C. Roberts, (Fri Sep 14, 6:25 pm)
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Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Tony Abernethy, (Sat Sep 15, 1:49 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Tony Abernethy, (Sat Sep 15, 8:11 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sat Sep 15, 9:40 am)
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Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Tony Abernethy, (Sat Sep 15, 8:25 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sat Sep 15, 9:48 am)
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Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sat Sep 15, 12:56 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Marco Peereboom, (Sat Sep 15, 1:45 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Daniel Ouellet, (Fri Sep 14, 5:29 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sat Sep 15, 7:36 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Greg Thomas, (Fri Sep 14, 1:18 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Paul de Weerd, (Fri Sep 14, 11:55 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Jack J. Woehr, (Fri Sep 14, 11:19 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Sebastien Carlier, (Fri Sep 14, 8:50 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, David H. Lynch Jr., (Fri Sep 14, 4:55 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Sebastien Carlier, (Fri Sep 14, 6:06 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Fri Sep 14, 10:58 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Tony Abernethy, (Fri Sep 14, 7:52 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Tony Abernethy, (Fri Sep 14, 6:31 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Jeroen Massar, (Fri Sep 14, 6:27 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Fri Sep 14, 7:51 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Tony Abernethy, (Fri Sep 14, 8:03 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Reiner Jung, (Thu Sep 13, 6:50 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Thu Sep 13, 6:58 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Marco Peereboom, (Thu Sep 13, 7:28 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Fri Sep 14, 3:46 am)
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Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Shawn K. Quinn, (Thu Sep 13, 3:37 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words , Theo de Raadt, (Thu Sep 13, 3:57 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Marco Peereboom, (Thu Sep 13, 8:48 am)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, J.C. Roberts, (Fri Sep 14, 5:11 pm)
Re: The Atheros story in much fewer words, Marc Espie, (Fri Sep 14, 4:46 am)
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