I understand that I do not get any bootable CD for
sparc...but do any of the CDs have the files on them that are needed 
for an install (all of the .tgz files and the cd.iso file?)

Typically I would download all of these..burn the ISO and boot the 
sparc off of the ISO and then do a local ftp install.

Thanks guys-

-JD

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The upcoming 4.2 release will include an install42.iso file, which is
exactly what you want.

4.2 will be released on November 1.  The -current snapshots have this
too, but beware since -current is now ahead of what the upcoming
release will be, and that may not be what you want -- almost a

Yes, the ftp install works fine too.  Or you can entirely network boot
a machine if you setup a netboot server.

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Okay, a little question then...


If I need/want to use some of the features in 4.2 (azalia on Macbook Pro), but 
I want to convert to following the -STABLE branch as 4.2 is released, what 
should I be running? Right now I am running snapshots.

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1. Once you run a -current, you cannot go backwards.  This is repeated
   over and over in the FAQ.

2. New features do not get moved into -stable.

We really don't have the resources to run multiple tracks like some
people want us to.

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Hrm, I think this clarifies one thing...


I was under the impression that the current snapshots were still under the 4.2 
heading, and as such, were not actually ahead of the 4.2 release. I guess I 
misunderstood here. Of course, I'm well aware of the particular FAQ. :-)

The new features I am talking about are not the features after stable, but the 
feature list that is currently listed in 4.2. Those are features that I want 
to use now, but I want to make sure that I can move easily to 4.2-STABLE when 
it is released. Are you saying that there is no way for me to get the features 
in 4.2 now without running -CURRENT, which will require me to reinstall (as 
opposed to upgrade) when 4.2 is released?


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If you're running recent snapshots then you are running -CURRENT and
as Theo mentions above:

"...but beware since -current is now ahead of what the upcoming
release will be, and that may not be what you want -- almost a
thousand commits have already happened to it."

-RELEASE would have been sent to the presses awhile back and
development continues on from 4.2.  You're past that point.  The
options are to continue with -CURRENT or start fresh with -RELEASE.

Greg

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having read and understood that, you should know that for most people
-current is more than good enough to work with. I am always running
-current in my production system and do not see any major (nor minor)
problem. Well, if you want to try the veeeery lastest drivers of X
then you'll have to ask for them explicitly and do it all by yourself
(compile, CVS etc) instead of "just" downloading the kernel from a
snapshot obsd ftp server.
I know that comparisons are stupid but I am an ex linux user and I
have never seen/ had the robustness of -current in any -stable release
of the linux world...

So, if you want e.g. the newest azalia codec, don't hesitate and run
-current. It's also a nice way to support the project... this way you
help to test the driver

Cheers,

Pau


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Pau,

Thanks for your note...


There's one driver that I do want from that, and that's the ATI driver for the X1600 chipsets. However, at the time, I don't really have the ability to deal with random bugs, as I'm already up to my eyeballs in other things. ;-) 

Believe it or not, I due notice some stability differences between -CURRENT and -STABLE on the whole.

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I guess what I meant to ask was that if I order the CDs (and 
therefore have earlier access than waiting for FTP - which is nice!) 
would all the needed files be on these (CDs) or will I still need to 
use FTP for the needed install files.

If the CDs totally contain anything and everything I need directly, 
then it makes sense to order them ASAP. If they dont and I need to 
rely on FTP install then ordering doesnt make any sense. In that case 
a donation would be more appropriate.

I'm sorry if I misunderstood the answer. I just dont want to waste 
the money on CDs if I still need to grab the file(s) from FTP.

-JD 

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that single word "waste" is one easy way to insult the OpenBSD Project
and community.

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JD said that he'd rather make a donation than buy discs that would be 
a waste of money (both for him and the OpenBSD project since those 
discs aren't free to produce).

That seems like a very commendable attitude. At least, I don't find it 
insulting in any way.

Sean.

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Thanks Sean. That was my point. I have donated 2-3x so far in the 
past and typically prefer that over buying CDs. At least 100% of my 
funds go direct to Theo and/or the team vs some of the money going 
towards CD production.

-JD 

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If you want to install 4.2 on a sparc, than you will have to wait for
the files to appear on the FTP-servers.

(Or try to build a 4.2-release with the source code from the CD's on a
sparc running 4.1 or -current, but that's not guaranteed to work.)

Maurice

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