[ A copy of this is going to the linux kernel mailing list, regarding the

Of course you do! because some of reyk's work used some of Sam's
work, and unlike what it seems a portion of the Linux community seems
to be willing to do in their Zealotry for the GPL, reyk is not
*removing and modifying* the licenses granted by the original authors.
That's the point. He's not saying he wrote this piece, and he's not
*changing* the conditions under which Sam distributed the code in the
first place. Howev...

In this country (US) we have something called the first amendment. It is a guarantee that individual American citizens will not be punished when disclosing abuses by the government.

Is what I am disclosing so unbelievable, especially considering far more series past abuses.

You are either a corrupt-piece-of-shit or seriously naive.

What? Presumably you sent this to the wrong list by accident.. but also what?
http://monkey.org/openbsd/archive/misc/0408/msg02073.html just sounds
irritated b...

Do you have any understanding of YP?

You tell us that it builds ok. Is that all debugging you have done?

Have you verified that you get the correct entry for sioux from
master.passwd? ypmatch from root can be used to test that...

ypcat and ypwhich is other tools you can use to debug...

makedbm -u can be used to look at the compiled maps.

-moj

Well, it looks like the Linux wireless people have decided that their
relatively small modifications to the Atheros driver will be GPL'd,
and not given back to improve the driver in the *BSD world.

http://marc.info/?l=linux-wireless&m=118857712529898&w=2

All the email addresses you need to mail to express your distaste
at this are right in that mail, except for one, which is
Eben Moglen <moglen@softwarefreedom.org>.

I've done what I can for now; Good luck to the rest of you.
...

Someone other than the authors _cannot_ change the license. Neither of
these licenses grants anyone rights to change or remove licenses of
the distributed code. In fact, they explicitly state that the license
(and copyright) must stay intact. (New material can have a new license
clause appended to it, but that is completely different than what
you're talking about.)

This whole escapade would be a lot simpler if people would stop
relying on guesswork and assumptions for matters they do not
unders...

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Hi,

I recently installed OpenBSD 4.1 on my computer and tried to connect
to my xDSL ISP via pppoe.

The contents of my /etc/hostname.fxp0 are: dhcp

The contents of /etc/ppp/ppp.conf are:

default:
set log Phase Chat LCP IPCP CCP tun command

pppoe:
set device "!/usr/sbin/pppoe -i fxp0"
set mtu max 1492
set mru max 1492
set speed sync
disable acfcomp protocomp
deny acfcomp
...

"something about IPv6 format"? you can do better than that.
copy-and-paste.

I don't know why, but this interface is not "up".

Dear gentleman,

i have setted my NIS server using openbsd 4.1. In order to get things
easier to manage, i decide the have a directory a part for my input
file for nis database building process.

So, i change the /var/yp/`domainname`/Makefile variables the point to
the amd directory and etc directory from "/etc/amd" and "/etc" to
"/asd/etc/amd" and "/asd/etc".

I have written and common input file for nis on those new directories,
like hosts, netgroup, etc .... More specially, the master.passwd a...

Greetings,

Need advise how to setup one DNS server for multiple domain
names, like: abcd._com_.xy, abcd._net_.xy, abcd._org_.xy, and
abcd._biz_.xy

The name server FQDN is server1.abcd._com_.xy (first domain)
but, how to name the server in the SOA record for the rest
of the domains?

Regards,

Mufurcz

On OpenBSD named runs chroot in /var/named:

options {
..
..
allow-query { any; };
allow-transfer { xfer; };
};

zone "example.com" {
type master;
file "master/example.com";
};

zone "example.org" {
type master;
file "master/example.org";
};

zone "example.net" {
type master;
file "master/example.net";
};

If the contents of the zones are to be basically the same, do this
instead (use one template):

zone "example.com" {
type master;
file "master/ex...

this happens when you reconfigure IP addresses; workaround: ifconfig
carpXX destroy; sh /etc/netstart carpXX. the fix is in rev 1.132.2.1 of

my preference is 'no state' on things like carp and ospf. makes little
difference for many setups, but if I don't always do it, I tend to forget
it where I need it (e.g. where queues are involved).

[bcc'd to Eben Moglen so that people don't flood him]

I stopped making public statements in the recent controversy because
Eben Moglen started working behind the scenes to 'improve' what Linux
people are doing wrong with licensing, and he asked me to give him
pause, so his team could work. Honestly, I was greatly troubled by
the situation, because even people like Alan Cox were giving other
Linux developers advice to ... break the law. And furthermore, there
are even greater potential risks for h...

Not exactly. I won't quote from the GPL again, but even the GPL has a
paragraph about this. You must pass on the rights you received. The
GPL says that passing on only a selection of rights is not fair. Don't
trust my words, though, go read the GPL yourself.

You received the full rights granted by copyright law as a recipient,
PLUS the ones granted by the entire document. But, you did not receive the

The word "alternatively" means "replace"? It might mean "select", but does
it really mean "replace in-line"? What dictionary are you using? If something
is not clear in a legal document, who are you to decide what it actually means?

In another place the GPL says you must pass on the rights you have. When

Well, it sure isn't reciprocal right abo...

That is not true at all. You have to adhere to ALL licenses. This is
not even remotely a slippery slope. You are making shit up to match

blah blah blah. You have to adhere to both licenses. Alternatively

Exactly; you need to adhere to all licenses. What part isn't clear?

Your agreement is not relevant. The law is.

I disagree with all kinds of things like paying taxes however I don't

Yes, I don't think you actually disagree with Theo -- what Theo tries
to say is that you simply cannot alter the text of the licence -- but
you can, obviously, select the terms of whatever one licence you want
to use.

If you want your modifications to be licensed differently, then you
would have to put a new licence on top of existing licensing text, as
far I as understand. This is how it's often done in OpenBSD and
NetBSD, IIRC.

C.

You are mistaken, it has not -- as long as the licences are compatible
and the names of the copyright holders appear aligned to their correct
licence.

However, with this Atheros HAL case this is not the solution -- if the
Linux people wrap GPL around BSD code, then we won't be able to get
any changes back.

C.

? But you mentioned dictionaries first...

The license is not an alternative. The alternative is between two licenses.

The moment one chooses one them... it's that one henceforth.

Rui

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+ No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown
+ Whatever you do will be insignificant,
| but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi
+ So let's do it...?

Theo, be as unreasonable as you want.

The copyright notice tells the user he can choose between two licenses.
If you choose the GNU GPL vs, you can't later on change to BSD or
proprietary for that would be a copyright violation.

*Copyright notice != license*

Rui

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+ No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown
+ Whatever you do will be insignificant,
| but it is very important that you do it --...

One of the really fascinating aspects of this whole thing, at least to
someone with a classic liberal arts education, is how poorly technical
people often perform when faced with natural language text. Not all
of them, obviously, but it's amazing how often it happens, even with
people whose high intelligence is indisputable. You see the full
panoply of logical fallacy at work. They try to do things they would
never try with technical specs.

For example, "you may choose a license for distributi...

Hmm, complying with the license. How can you say you comply with the
license that says you may not alter the licence yet you alter the license?

You're wrong. Read the 'without modification' words a few times to get why.
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First, I wish to appologize.

While I am actually fairly familiar with the GPL,
I am not intimate with either the various forms of BSD License or
the ISC.
Somehow jumping back and forth between them all on wikipedia before
my original
post I missed the clause that appears to be in each of them require
preserving the
License/Permissions as well as the copyright.

I made an honest effort to look, and somehow read right through
exactly what I was looking for.
...

Wrong wrong wrong.

You interpretation is not relevant. The interpretation of the law is.
You can't go around changing legal interpretation at your convenience.

"I interpret that downloading mp3s is like totally legal now" doesn't
make it so. Try it and see what happens.

Let me try once more to explain how this works. Here is the license of
a piece of code I wrote:
* Copyright (c) 2007 Marco Peereboom <marco@peereboom.us>
*
* Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this sof...

The usual explanation is "man strings". But for example:

*----------------------------------------------------------------------*
artemis:~
{20} % strings /dev/fs/C/WINDOWS/system32/nslookup.exe | tail -n 30
@(#) Copyright (c) 1985,1989 Regents of the University of California.
All rights reserved.
@(#)nslookup.c 5.39 (Berkeley) 6/24/90
A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.
@(#)commands.l 5.13 (Berkeley) 7/24/90
-*-**********
**************************
**************************
@(#)debug.c 5.22 (Berk...