Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

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To: Theo de Raadt <deraadt@...>
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Date: Saturday, September 1, 2007 - 6:29 pm

On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 04:08:46PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote:

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Which is one of two, at the mutually exclusive choice of the user. In the case
of the three files I see nothing bad done.

> > If some software is dual licensed, you have two sets of rights you can choose.

Most dictionaries I had at my hand define alternative as choices. You can get
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alternative

Noun
alternative (plural alternatives)
1. A situation which allows a choice between two or more possibilities.
2. A choice between two or more possibilities.
3. One of several things which can be chosen.

If he chose alternative B, the GNU GPLv2, he's bound by the GNU GPLv2 terms, and
not the BSD ones, or even both at the same time. As such, any derivative from his
choice on has to be "on the same terms" he got, namely the GNU GPL v2

> > > The

Section 6 is pretty clear, to me...

Each time you redistribute the Program (or any work based on the Program),
the recipient automatically receives a license from the original licensor to
copy, distribute or modify the Program subject to these terms and
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conditions. You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients'
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exercise of the rights granted herein. You are not responsible for enforcing
compliance by third parties to this License.

> > I'd be happy to give you as much support as I can, since I kind of enjoy

On the 5 files that are not dual licensed, we agree. On the other 3 ones...
I'm sorry, they felt they needed to make sure nobody would deprive other
users of the code they distribute.

> Isn't that rude?

On the 5 files, yes. On the other ones, not really. On the other three ones
what seems to me is "we offered it under two possible sets of conditions,
you chose one we don't like, so we cry foul".

This is what seems rude to me, and I was trying to understand if it was a
problem with all files or just the 5 ones I noticed that weren't dual
licensed (in which case I fully agree with you).

Best,
Rui

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That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Theo de Raadt, (Fri Aug 31, 9:40 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Reyk Floeter, (Mon Sep 3, 7:23 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sat Sep 1, 1:19 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Hannah Schroeter, (Sun Sep 2, 8:05 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Ihar Hrachyshka, (Sun Sep 2, 8:25 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sun Sep 2, 11:42 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Marco Peereboom, (Sun Sep 2, 12:00 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Hannah Schroeter, (Sun Sep 2, 10:58 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sun Sep 2, 8:15 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing , Theo de Raadt, (Sat Sep 1, 1:39 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sat Sep 1, 5:59 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Hannah Schroeter, (Sun Sep 2, 8:07 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sun Sep 2, 11:38 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Dave Anderson, (Mon Sep 3, 12:35 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Mon Sep 3, 3:42 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Tue Sep 4, 12:12 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Tue Sep 4, 5:18 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, J.C. Roberts, (Wed Sep 5, 2:56 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Marco Peereboom, (Tue Sep 4, 11:15 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Jacob Yocom-Piatt, (Tue Sep 4, 12:37 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Simon 'corecode' Schubert..., (Sun Sep 2, 12:15 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sun Sep 2, 12:22 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Marco Peereboom, (Sun Sep 2, 11:57 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Greg Thomas, (Tue Sep 4, 12:21 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing , Theo de Raadt, (Sat Sep 1, 6:08 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sat Sep 1, 6:29 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Marco Peereboom, (Sat Sep 1, 6:56 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sat Sep 1, 7:34 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Siegbert Marschall, (Sun Sep 2, 5:15 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sun Sep 2, 7:49 am)
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Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Constantine A. Murenin, (Sat Sep 1, 6:51 pm)
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Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing , Theo de Raadt, (Sat Sep 1, 6:40 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sat Sep 1, 6:49 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Daniel A. Ramaley, (Tue Sep 4, 12:37 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Tue Sep 4, 1:38 pm)
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Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Tue Sep 4, 3:52 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Timo Schoeler, (Tue Sep 4, 4:08 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Darrin Chandler, (Tue Sep 4, 4:27 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing , Theo de Raadt, (Sat Sep 1, 6:55 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sat Sep 1, 7:39 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Siegbert Marschall, (Sun Sep 2, 5:17 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sun Sep 2, 7:44 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing , Theo de Raadt, (Sat Sep 1, 7:46 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sun Sep 2, 4:47 am)
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Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Tonnerre LOMBARD, (Sun Sep 2, 8:36 am)
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Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing , Theo de Raadt, (Tue Sep 4, 8:16 pm)
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Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing , Theo de Raadt, (Tue Sep 4, 10:55 pm)
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Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing , Theo de Raadt, (Sat Sep 1, 4:25 pm)
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Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing , Theo de Raadt, (Sat Sep 1, 9:54 am)
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Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing , Theo de Raadt, (Sat Sep 1, 10:14 am)
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