Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing

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To: David H. Lynch Jr. <dhlii@...>
Cc: <misc@...>
Date: Saturday, September 1, 2007 - 9:40 am

Wrong wrong wrong.

You interpretation is not relevant. The interpretation of the law is.
You can't go around changing legal interpretation at your convenience.

"I interpret that downloading mp3s is like totally legal now" doesn't
make it so. Try it and see what happens.

Let me try once more to explain how this works. Here is the license of
a piece of code I wrote:
* Copyright (c) 2007 Marco Peereboom
*
* Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software for any
* purpose with or without fee is hereby granted, provided that the
* above copyright notice and this permission notice appear in all copies.

This means if you want to use my code in any way shape or form you MUST
maintain the copyright & license. It says on ALL copies therefore this
includes other code, binary files, source, GPL goo etc.

The whole point is that one can't go around interpreting law. That's a
judge's job. I am not interpreting any licenses for anybody, I am
stating facts as they exist today in the frame of the law. Don't like
that? I suggest suing someone to see if you can get a judge to agree
with your interpretation; from there you can claim jurisprudence.

On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 08:52:45AM -0400, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote:

Wrong. Copyright includes ALL rights; the license is what surrenders
some of these rights. Copyright is INCLUSIVE. In other words if if
write my totally 1337 program that has NO license it automatically is
completely covered by copyright. One can NOT copy it, can NOT modify it
& can NOT distribute it. It is the most restrictive license.

>

Not "likely"; it is breaking the law.

>

Try to run strings on windows command line utilities. You'll see that
they preserved the copyrights as required.

If you are not preserving the copyrights and the license in the file you
are breaking the law.

>

We can't help people living in alternate realities and making their own
interpretations. It is wrong. Let me quote my license once more:
* copyright notice and this permission notice appear in all copies.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I am the only one capable of giving up that right. The GPL crowd can't
go around relicensing my code without violating this.

>

You mean the law?

>

Let me try to point it out:
* copyright notice and this permission notice appear in all copies.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>

Yes, read this part:
* copyright notice and this permission notice appear in all copies.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>

It is crafted that way:
* copyright notice and this permission notice appear in all copies.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>

You are misinterpreting the law.

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That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Theo de Raadt, (Fri Aug 31, 9:40 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Reyk Floeter, (Mon Sep 3, 7:23 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sat Sep 1, 1:19 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Hannah Schroeter, (Sun Sep 2, 8:05 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Ihar Hrachyshka, (Sun Sep 2, 8:25 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sun Sep 2, 11:42 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Marco Peereboom, (Sun Sep 2, 12:00 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Hannah Schroeter, (Sun Sep 2, 10:58 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sun Sep 2, 8:15 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing , Theo de Raadt, (Sat Sep 1, 1:39 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sat Sep 1, 5:59 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Hannah Schroeter, (Sun Sep 2, 8:07 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Sun Sep 2, 11:38 am)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Dave Anderson, (Mon Sep 3, 12:35 am)
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Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Tue Sep 4, 12:12 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Tue Sep 4, 5:18 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, J.C. Roberts, (Wed Sep 5, 2:56 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Marco Peereboom, (Tue Sep 4, 11:15 pm)
Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing, Jacob Yocom-Piatt, (Tue Sep 4, 12:37 pm)
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Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing , Theo de Raadt, (Sat Sep 1, 6:08 pm)
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Re: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing , Theo de Raadt, (Sat Sep 1, 6:55 pm)
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