As some of you might have noticed, I worked on network stack and

especially pf performance in calgary. This lead to quite massive

improvements - one diff in particular doubled pf performance in

our test scenario; undeadly covered that:

http://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20070528213858

dlg an I gave a quick talk about it:

http://www.openbsd.org/papers/cuug2007/
Now I am back in Hamburg and would like to continue that work. There

is quite a lot more performance to gain, but I need to be able to measure,

profile etc. For that I need two (preferably identical) 1u rackmount,

very fast single-CPU machines here in Hamburg, asap, since I have some

time for such development right now. If you can help, please drop deraadt@

and me an email.

I assume the changes that you're making will show up in OpenBSD 4.2?

Or what's the timeframe for including these changes in a "stable" branch

of the code? (i.e. ready for production)
--

Florin Andrei
http://florin.myip.org/

if I don't get the proper test hardware the other stuff will rot on my

harddisk, probably until c2k8, so they'll then show up in OpenBSD 4.4.

I have another ~12.5% (last measurement in calgary) sitting on my disk,

almost ready, but can't test properly right now. There's much more to

gain.
and of course the changes already made will not be in 4.2, they'll be

sold extra. sheesh, what do you think we do here?
--

Henning Brauer, hb@bsws.de, henning@openbsd.org

BS Web Services, http://bsws.de

Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services

Dedicated Servers, Rootservers, Application Hosting - Hamburg & Amsterdam

At the rate that Henning's request is happening, no -- the changes

he has not written yet because he has no machines will not make 4.2.
In fact, the more discouraged I get with the lack of answers from the

community, I start to think that we should slow pf back down again.

http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq1.html#Next

Got me a t-shirt, a 4.1 CD set, and $100 to you.
--

"This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity."

-- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation.

Thanks a lot.
However I wish there were some large companies out there using and

relying in pf, who could just decide (right now) to ship Henning two

machines.  Not because it is the right thing to do, but because they

will directly benefit, immediately.  They could do so completely out

of self-interest.
But perhaps there are no large companies using pf?  That's entirely

possible, I suppose.
Supporting requests like Henning's out of the pocket change that our

private user community has is rather crazy; it is a management

headache for us to wait for money, then move it around.  Using such

(smallish) monies to keep other project needs under control -- that is

smart.
These performance enhancements will not affect regular private users,

but will be of particular benefit to companies who use our software in

larger installs.  Companies should stand up when such requests are

made, or they and their employees should be ashamed of themselves for

not having any vision, at all.

That's the problem right there.  As a huuuuuuuuuuuuge user of OpenSSH

I'm ashamed of my company for it not stepping up back when I requested

donations.  It's a lack of vision, pure and simple.
Greg
--

http://ticketmastersucks.org/tracker.html
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I'm probably going to lose a friend over this, but I'd like to challenge iXsystems to step up and donate a couple systems for this purpose.  It would benefit everyone for you guys to donate the hardware to further optimize PF.  We all know that PF has become as ubiquitous as OpenSSH, at least in the BSD world.
How about it Matt, is iXsystems up to the challenge?
Thanks,
--

Jason Dixon

DixonGroup Consulting

http://www.dixongroup.net

I do know they donated stuff in the past, when I used to buy systems from

them.  However that's been a number of years.
diana

Damn you. Let me see what I can do. But yes, we had planned to do some OpenBSD

support after the BSD Mall merger and integration.
What kind of specs are we looking for? And remember, we're not a huge

company!

I just req'd a few systems for work on FreeBSD 10 GigE support, a system for

BSD Cert (plus cash), and I'm sure that I am forgetting a few we recently

handed around.
Where is Henning located? Shipping free stuff out of country is sometimes a

pain and takes longer.
We just did a network upgrade, so if you guys need some quality older

hardware, we can deliver fairly quickly. P2/P3 Intel based SCSI. There were

no problems with the systems, it was just time to upgrade.
FYI, we did indeed just switch over to pf on our main gateway. Thank you :-)
best,

-matt
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Public Relations, The FreeBSD Project B  B  B  B  http://www.FreeBSD.org

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Hamburg, Germany.
Henning, is DENIC still using OpenBGPD?
Best

   Martin

DECIX, yes, but they're not the right target here, they do their share.
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Henning Brauer, hb@bsws.de, henning@openbsd.org

BS Web Services, http://bsws.de

Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services

Dedicated Servers, Rootservers, Application Hosting - Hamburg & Amsterdam

Suggestion for tapping the Large Company resource for OpenBSD:
    1) Create an OpenBSD User Survey

	a) should include questions that identifies user classes such as

Private Dude and Large Company

         b) should allow user to self-identify if willing for

followup surveys and appeals

    2) Place survey

  	a) on website

         b) on the next CDROM

    3) Use info garnered through survey to

         a) craft appeals on website

         b) create email appeals to self-identified users in correct

classes.
Sounds silly perhaps to the more typical OpenBSD user, but if indeed

there is Large Company

use of OpenBSD those admins/users will be more responsive to the

survey-and-appeal paradigm

than our typical lone wolf users.
--

Jack J. Woehr

Director of Development

Absolute Performance, Inc.

jwoehr@absolute-performance.com

303-443-7000 ext. 527

This could possibly be as useful as vendorwatch.org|com whatever it was.

And I can say that as I participated in updating it and along with what,

three other people.?.?.
So in a nutshell, nice idea, but deleted with all the other "Worthless

Good Intention Ideas".
An admin working in a large company using pf simply needs to pick up the

sword and make it happen.
Jim

Don't need a survey for this. we have a pretty good idea what biggies
	Oh, a directed spam campaign. perfect. that will endear us to our

users.  Please return to marketing school from whence you came, and think

before you suggest such things.
	-Bob

A open source entity asking for donations from commercial entities

with whom they already

have a business relationship is not spam. Theo indicated he wished to

somehow coalesce and

redirect appeals so they would result in lump sums and/or machines

rather than a trickle

of small user donations. The suggested technique might be effective

at achieving Theo's

goals.
--

Jack J. Woehr

Director of Development

Absolute Performance, Inc.

jwoehr@absolute-performance.com

303-443-7000 ext. 527

The idea you suggested takes a lot of time and effort.
We're already spending a lot of time and effort writing things

we give away.
Noone is going to change their mind based on some campaign.  They're

already selfish enough to use free software and believe that there is

no benefit in being the ones to give anything back.  Someone else will

give back, and things will keep moving along, that's what they assume.
No campaign will fix that.

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:01:47 -0600, "Theo de Raadt"
And what are SA's to do? I am so far away from anyone that could cut a

check for such a thing it's ridiculous. My managers manager probably

couldn't even get such a thing done. I love OBSD, but I also like my

job and want to keep it. "BIG" corporations will never be your answer.

It will have to come from some medium sized company where the CEO's

aren't completely detached from their work force and are technically

savvy enough to see how it might benefit them. If anybody knows of

anybody like that please chime in. I don't.

I dunno, marketing seems to work sometimes. Maybe it can never

work *for OpenBSD*, because when some CIO or MIS manager hits

the list to ask a question they get roasted by the fachidiot of the

day. End of corporate donation.
But many non-profit entities do make appeals and campaigns, and it

works for them.
Your point however that it takes work is a justified point. You've

got a www@ responsponsible party. Maybe an appeals@ responsible

party to make webbage,  write surveys, and spawn begging campaigns?
--

Jack J. Woehr

Director of Development

Absolute Performance, Inc.

jwoehr@absolute-performance.com

303-443-7000 ext. 527

Or maybe we need 20 more people like Jason Dixon, to make an appeal to a

company where they have contacts, where the message will at least be

read. That's directly targetted, and therefore more meaningful, and I

think has a higher chance of success.
Anyone out there know companies using and loving pf? Write them!
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Darrin Chandler            |  Phoenix BSD User Group  |  MetaBUG

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Yes this is exactly the intention of the message. we don't

want to make the appeal ourselves. Someone on this list has the

contacts in places that use it - please make the appeal for us.
	-Bob

You plain don't get it!  You want us to do MORE.  We don't want

to do more.
Keep suggesting it, and I promise we'll do LESS.

That's a great idea.  Maybe Henning should write all this stuff up,

instead of making pf faster.
Let's do more shit-work, so that we have less time to improve the code.

-----Original Message-----

From: owner-misc@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-misc@openbsd.org] On Behalf

Of Theo de Raadt

Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:30 PM

To: Jack J. Woehr

Cc: Misc@Openbsd. Org
All fundraising suggestions should be written on the back of a $100 bill

and sent to Theo.

I agree. I sent two Bluetooth cards and $100 cc donation in the past

twelvemonth.
--

Jack J. Woehr

Director of Development

Absolute Performance, Inc.

jwoehr@absolute-performance.com

303-443-7000 ext. 527

right, but it's a $100 per suggestion per email. by my count you're

$400 in the hole (-:

Yes, such small contributions help a lot -- in the places where individuals

can help.
But when big things are required, it is obvious big players should step

up.