On 6/12/07, Jeff Quast  wrote:

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> On 6/11/07, Karsten McMinn  wrote:

> > On 6/10/07, Adam  wrote:

> > > That's just as stupid as requiring people have a cert.  Lots of people have

> > > certs because so many places toss your resume if you don't have "MCSE" or

> > > "CCNA" listed on it.  Just because they have a cert doesn't mean they don't

> > > know what they're doing.

> >

> > alot of anti-cert sentiment. borderline misinformation in

> > some cases. I've interviewed folks with and without certs.

> > I don't know why some people insist on arguing

> > that "book != cover"[1] with regard to certs. silly.

> >

> > here's a couple points for consideration:

>

> You lightly touched on it, but there is a very crucial need for this

> certification that happily employed IT people can't begin to

> understand.

>

> There are many young unemployables who freely code dozens of

> languages, but work at gas stations because they have a blank resume.

> I know a very good kernel hacker in Flint, MI who does roofing. I met

> another C programmer at a small factory where we both made -less- than

> minimum wage.

>

Does the cert cover coding?
In any case I completely ignore certs when hiring or finding

contractors.  I've found too many times that people can't answer

simple questions about administration even when they're a CCNA or MCSE

or the like.
In the case of developers I'll take someone without experience if they

bring their own code and can explain it to me in layman's terms, and

if they can take some basic undocumented code of ours and document it.
Greg
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