Re: bcw(4) is gone

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Date: Friday, April 6, 2007 - 11:18 am

On Fri, 2007-04-06 at 10:22 -0400, ericfurman@fastmail.net wrote:

What do you care if that's what they care about? Don't forget that the
desire to keep proprietary vendors from forking and re-closing code was
precisely and explicitly the reason the GPL was written; someone who
values that is probably going to choose the GPL to release their work
under. Complaining that Developer X chooses to use the GPL is as useless
as complaining that Vendor Y chooses not to release source code at all.
In both cases it's a license that is at odds with the purpose and
principles of OpenBSD, and in both cases it's a violation of those
authors' rights to copy their code in a manner they have not licensed
you to.

I'm not trying to come across as some sort of GPL cheerleader. I don't
use it except when contracts stipulate it (and more do than you might
think, given your "they can't make money" statement) and I think this
situation is a good example of why the GPL bad for code trees with
multiple authors (which is going to be any code tree of significant
complexity that accepts patches). If one guy writes something and
chooses to place it under the GPL, he can then relicense in a situation
like this; if there end up being 40 authors of a module it's impractical
to track every one of them down if they haven't handed their copyright
over to a primary maintainer, especially if all you really know about
somebody is their public key and email address 3 years ago when they
committed last.

But all those complaints don't mean anything at all: I wasn't an author
for the Linux driver so I don't get a say in how the Linux driver is
licensed. The people who did the work to write it get to decide under
what terms it can be redistributed, and once they have decided that they
have a responsibility to see it is enforced. They don't have to CC
hundreds of people on their first mailing like this guy did, but then
again they have a right to do so if they want to. Just like I have a
right to think they're jerks for doing that.

Weldon

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bcw(4) is gone, Diana Eichert, (Thu Apr 5, 2:55 pm)
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Re: bcw(4) is gone, Darrin Chandler, (Thu Apr 5, 3:24 pm)
Re: bcw(4) is gone, Diana Eichert, (Thu Apr 5, 3:16 pm)
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Re: bcw(4) is gone, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Wed Apr 11, 6:59 am)
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