On Sat, Mar 17, 2007 at 11:43:47AM +1100, fonkprop wrote:
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> Yet again, we see that although Theo is willing to beg, wheedle and threaten
> his user community into sending him money when he needs it, he holds them in
> too much contempt to respond to simple, uncontroversial and valid criticism.
> 
> 
> On 3/16/07, Theo de Raadt <deraadt@cvs.openbsd.org> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Let's see... the fsck_ffs fix pedro commited a few hours ago.  That
> > fixes a serious problem where fsck fails to spot filesystem
> > corruption.  Should we spend time fully assessing how rare or common
> > this situation is, and then errata it up the stream as fast as
> > possible, maybe even consider if there are security risks from such
> > filesystem corruption?  Come on.
> 
> 
> What a bullshit argument. When you realised the problem was serious enough
> to update the homepage to say "only two remote holes..." you should also
> have sent out an email to security-announce. You had time to send an
> announcement to misc - not sending one to the list your project specifically
> created for just this type of situation means, quite simply, that you fucked
> up. You fucked up, Theo. Do it right next time, or de-commission the
> security-announce mailing list for once and for all. The fact that you can't
> get a simple thing like this right really makes me wonder about the wisdom
> of relying on OpenBSD for real-world use...
> 
> The minute someone moans for a posting to the security-announce list
> > they have removed any desire from me to do so.  And the same comes for
> > any other errata.
> 
> 
> What a completely fucking stupid, border-line insane thing to say. Let's get
> this straight - your project sets up a security announcement list
> specifically for announcements on vulnerabilities and patches. You then
> proceed to ignore it completely for one of the most serious OpenBSD security
> problems in the last decade. But no-one is allowed to actually say anything
> about this because if they do you'll not use it JUST TO SPITE US. You, sir,
> are a childish, immature cock.
> 
> 
> > If people on our mailing list are going to be such jerks about patches
> > which we do make available, then maybe we'll spend a whole lot less
> > effort making errata and updating -stable.  The whole concept of being
> > subserviant towards a community of jerks is not realistitic.
> 
> 
> You know, Theo, it makes me fucking sick to see you treat the community of
> people who support your project and pay your wage like this. It makes me
> even sicker to see the crowds of shrill, stupid fanboys on this list who are
> so pathetically eager to agree with you that that they support even your
> most unreasonable, childish and frankly stupid statements. You are a goddam
> hypocrite - either you do OpenBSD purely for yourself and the other

I don't think Theo is a hypocrite he makes otherwise a highly consistent
behaviour impression on me. To me it looks like a slippage caused by an
external factor. There's a problem and it has to be found and fixed.

Theo, how much time do you sleep in average per night? Aren't you overworked?
Don't you have some kind of family problem (relationship, death, serious
disease)?  Don't you you get too little money in donations and feel stressed by
it?  Or some other kind of cockup in your life?

We need to understand that OpenBSD is a unique operating system - it's free,
very complicated, AND and proper care is taken in design and programming. That
must be very demanding on the developers.

CL<
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> developers (in which case I will stop financially supporting the project,
> and everyone else should too) or you recognise that what really keeps
> OpenBSD going is the group of people that advocate OpenBSD, use it in the
> real world, and buy your goddamn CDs and t-shirts to keep you going... The
> idiots on misc that support you when you treat your users this badly aren't
> the real friends of OpenBSD.