On 2/17/07, Jeff Rollin  wrote:

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> On 17/02/07, Greg Thomas  wrote:

> > On 2/17/07, Jeff Rollin  wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > What's stopping YOU? And even if something is stopping you, why do you

> feel

> > > it necessary or wise to tell that user to use Linux instead of working

> to

> > > improve OBSD and/or help him with his problem?

> > >

> >

> > Because in general it's a waste of time to help a user to get his

> > OpenBSD install to work just like his Linux install, performance-wise,

> > looks-wise, functionality-wise, etc.  If the guy had given any

> > concrete info beyond "oooh, Firefox is slow to start up on OpenBSD" he

> > would probably receive some good suggestions on figuring out what the

> > problem is, if any.

> >

> > Personally my attitude is he can stick with Linux, not because he's

> > looking for a similar experience on OpenBSD but because he doesn't

> > seem to be able to formulate a reasonable request for help.

> >

> > Greg

> >

> >

>

> None of you seem the slightest bit interested in telling him HOW to

> "formulate a reasonable request for help".

>

Damn, you're right.  I forgot how hard it is to see this:
http://www.openbsd.org/mail.html
when looking for the mailing lists.
But, here, I'll cc him with this message since it appears he didn't

read the above:
"Do your homework before you post

    If you have an installation question, make sure that you have read

the relevant documents such as the INSTALL.* text files in the FTP

installation directories, the FAQ and the relevant man pages (start

with afterboot(8)), and check the mailing list archives. We want to

help, but we wouldn't want to deprive you of a valuable learning

experience, and no one wants to see the same question on the lists for

the fifth time in a month."
"Include important information

    Don't waste everyone's time with a hopelessly incomplete question.

No one other than you has the information needed to resolve your

problem, it is better to provide more information than needed than one

detail too little. Any question should include at least the version of

OpenBSD (i.e., "3.2-stable", "3.3-current as of July 20, 2003"). Any

hardware related questions should mention the platform (i.e., sparc,

alpha, etc.), and provide a full dmesg(8). Hardware model numbers,

unfortunately, don't indicate much about the actual content of a

particular machine or accessory, and are useless to anyone who doesn't

have that exact machine sitting where they can easily recognize it.

The dmesg(8) tells us exactly what is IN your machine, not what

stickers are on the outside."
HTH,

Greg