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Robert Urban
serial switch available for donation (Munich)

Hi Folks,

I have an ancient, but fully functional pizza-box like device from "Pan
Dacom" ("V.24 Umschalter"), which has 9 DB25 female connectors on the back,
and 8 toggle pushbuttons on the front. One of the DB25 connectors is the
input, and is connected to one or more of the other eight DB25 connectors,
depending on which buttons are toggled "on" on the front.

any interest?

Rob Urban

Dec 6, 7:47 pm 2007
Robert Urban
alpha server hardware (AS1200) available for donation in Mun...

Hi Folks,

I'm back again.

I have two AS1200 (AlphaServers) to donate. They're nice machines, but I
don't use them. One has two 400MHz CPUs (B3007-AA) and 512MB RAM, the other
has one 533MHz CPU (B3007-CA) and 256MB RAM.

They have lots of disks internally (2 and 4GB drives). They have several
SCSI controllers installed and are in fact set up to operate as a TruCluster
with shared storage, which is housed on two BA356 StorageWorks shelves
stuffed with 2 and 4GB drives. If someone were interes...

Dec 6, 6:57 pm 2007
Julissa Fox
your website

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Dec 6, 6:54 pm 2007
Matthew Dempsky
Hardware recommendations for OpenBSD carp router/firewall ma...

Does anyone have recommendations on server hardware for setting up a
redundant OpenBSD firewall? Right now our network handles several
million HTTP requests per day, and we expect that to continue growing.
I expect a simple pair of Dell rackmounted servers should handle this
easily, but I thought I'd solicit feedback from the firewall experts
on misc@ first. :-)

Thanks!

Dec 6, 6:53 pm 2007
Benoit Chesneau
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6550 freeze on core 2 duo

Hi all,

HAve currently problem with a server based on Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU
E6550
with a Realtek 8168 ( re(4) ). It freeze after some random time. I
don't know why.
No log about it. I tried to :
- enable acpi
- force the carde in 100baseTX

But without any success yet. Hard to test anyway because this is a
remote machine
and can't check it from the rescue mode since this rescue mode is under
freebsd.

Any idee ? Anyone used such machine yet ? Here is a dmesg :
[ message continues ]

" title="http://babilu.metavers...">http://babilu.metavers...

Dec 6, 5:45 pm 2007
Constantine A. Murenin Dec 6, 7:44 pm 2007
Jason George
Re: Code signing in OpenBSD

Like Keyser Soze, Theo has neither blood nor DNA. Except for me at beer last
night, no one has ever seen Theo.

Dec 6, 1:52 pm 2007
Daniel Bosk
Re: Code signing in OpenBSD

Why not start selling public key lists from the order site, then
those who care can order one (or more) CD(s) and a separately
delivered (set of) public key lists (in sealed envelopes). Otherwise
ordering CDs will suffice.

When a key is revoked (announced somewhere) or incompatibilities
occur order a new (set of) list(s).

Then there is the problem of the lists being replaced by some new
list by the postman, thus ordering a set of lists instead of only one.
Have them delivered by different cour...

Dec 6, 1:27 pm 2007
dane johansen
Hoststated + overload

Hey All,

I was wondering is it possible to use pf + max-src-conn-rate + overload with
hoststated? In manual there is nothing about that, but maybe if you define
tables in hoststated, but not a service and in PF you use just rdr with
hoststated tables (something similar to spamd tables?). Anyone has any ideas
on that?

Dane

Dec 6, 1:05 pm 2007
Jason George
Re: Code signing in OpenBSD

You make it sound like OpenBSD is a vendor that is actively marketing to these
companies and that cannot make a sale because it is not meeting a specific set
of criteria in your requirements docs.

Tell you what. I am sure there are a number of individuals on the list who
own or work at companies that would be more than happy to provide your
employer with a custom-built set of installation binaries and packages, signed
for your digital pleasure. I expect bi-annual costs, including overhead l...

Dec 6, 12:03 pm 2007
Marco Peereboom
softraid todo

Several people have asked me about what the softraid todo is. I
published such a list at: http://www.peereboom.us/softraid_todo.txt
It isn't 100% complete but has most major and minor items.

Dec 6, 11:34 am 2007
Lars Noodén
Re: Code signing in OpenBSD

I'm not very knowledgeable, but have been looking at the documenation
lately:

So, intentional (corporate or government agreement with ISP) or
unintentional (use of M$ on ISP DNS server), could allow the initial
installation to become compromised, perhaps in a hard-to-detect way.

None of this seems to be solved in the installation guide:
http://openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html

Again, it looks like it might come down to keys or fingerprints and that
the network install might be depreciated. Rather,...

Dec 6, 10:01 am 2007
bofh
Re: Code signing in OpenBSD

At this point, it's probably a good idea to point out there's a paper
called Trusting Trust about your everyday C compiler...

--
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk
"This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity."
-- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation.
"Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or
internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks
factory where smoking on the job is permi...

Dec 6, 10:47 am 2007
Lars Noodén
Re: Code signing in OpenBSD

Yeah. It recently disappeared from the ACM's web site after 11+ years
of availability:
http://www.acm.org/classics/oct95/
There is, fortunately, the author's copy:
http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html

There is an interesting follow up:
http://www.dwheeler.com/trusting-trust/
summary of the followup:
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/01/countering_trus.html

The bottom line, however, is that having and using the source is not
optional.

Thus, patches are provided in OpenB...

Dec 6, 11:12 am 2007
bofh
Re: Code signing in OpenBSD

That's why I always hand enter, in binary, by toggling switches on the
front of my box[1] when I start a new system.

[1]. What, you never pressed the power button

--
http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk
"This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity."
-- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation.
"Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or
internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks
...

Dec 6, 11:21 am 2007
Stefan Castille
PF and queuing question

hey,

I have a question on how to best limit traffic with pf. The main
goal is not so much to limit bandwidth to a lower point all the
time but more to prevent a runaway process (or user) from
drowning the rest.

Since i do not have the means for extensive testing i hope to
get some pointers before going down a path that would only waste
time and resources. I have the following situation (simplified):

/-vlan1 <==1Gb==> desktops
internet <==512Kb==>bge0 ...

Dec 6, 8:28 am 2007
Shachi Rai
Open BSD Physical Storage

Hi,

Currently I am facing a small problem in OpenBSD. I want to get the
information about the total physical Storage and the partition table
(mounted and unmounted). Please let me know if there is any way out for
getting this information.

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Dec 6, 9:21 am 2007
Josh Grosse
Re: Open BSD Physical Storage

Disklabel information, which includes the physical drive (partition c) can be
obtained from the disklabel(8) command. If the drive has non-OpenBSD MBR
partitions, *and* the disklabel was built after those MBR partitions were
created, they will have assigned partitions in the disklabel.

Show, in gigabytes, the layout of SCSI drive #0:

# disklabel -p g sd0

Show, in megabytes, the layout of IDE/ATA drive #1:

# disklabel -p m wd1

Show, in gigabytes/megabytes/kilobytes as needed, the capacit...

Dec 6, 9:51 am 2007
Hannah Schroeter
Re: Open BSD Physical Storage

Hi!

I don't exactly understand what you really want. But I guess you want to
check which disks exist: grep '^[sw]d' /var/run/dmesg.log (I guess that
should cover most disk devices, save for very exotic stuff and floppy
disks).

For exact information, see fdisk(8), disklabel(8), and df(1). For
potential mounts, see fstab(5), for actual mounts, see mount(8).

Kind regards,

Hannah.

Dec 6, 9:42 am 2007
Shachi Rai
Re: Open BSD Physical Storage

Hi,

Great to see your reply,

I would like to explain you in detail,

I am currently writing a java code which tries to find out the total
physical storage of an OpenBSD machine. Infact I would like to know the
complete partition table in an OPenBSD machine.

I have gone through the disklabel and fdisk command but both these command
take the device name as a parameter. So my first question would be to know
all the devices which are attached and may or may not be mounted. Once this
is obtained...

Dec 6, 9:57 am 2007
Josh Grosse Dec 6, 10:17 am 2007
Alexander Hall
Re: Open BSD Physical Storage

Try `sysctl -n hw.disknames'

then run disklabel on each of them

That might give you what you want.

/Alexander

Dec 6, 10:16 am 2007
Stuart Henderson
Re: Open BSD Physical Storage

sysctl hw.disknames

Dec 6, 10:01 am 2007
Marie Th
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Dec 6, 6:20 am 2007
Joselyn Brown
Your Web

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Dec 6, 1:43 am 2007
Deanna Phillips
Re: more unimplemented commands in azalia driver

Is that really the error message? What a horrible error
message.

The program is probably trying to use an unsupported sample
rate. If there are options that allow you to set the sample
rate, try either 44100 or 48000 Hz.

Dec 5, 10:06 pm 2007
Rob Lytle
more unimplemented commands in azalia driver

Hi,

I was trying to use the gmfsk digital radio communication program with
azalia but ran into some snags.

It is giving the sound card commands it can't recognize:

sound_open_for_read: sndopen: setinfo failed: m and
sound_open_for_write: sndopen: setinfo failed: m

Gmfsk uses /dev/audio. I assume those are OSS commands.

Thanks, Rob

--
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our minds" Bob Marley, Redemption Song

Dec 5, 9:27 pm 2007
Jacob Meuser
Re: more unimplemented commands in azalia driver

you assume incorrectly. gmfsk doesn't use OSS.

gmfsk uses 8000Hz sampling rates by default, which probably doesn't work
with some (most) azalia(4) codecs.

Settings->Preferences->Devices->Sound->Requested sample rate->48000

--
jakemsr@sdf.lonestar.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org

Dec 6, 2:58 am 2007
Pierre-Yves Ritschard
Re: hoststated - some questions

Unfortunately, yes.
reload currently does not work for layer7 (relay) configurations.
it should be available before 4.3 though.

Dec 6, 4:28 am 2007
Marcus Andree
Re: OpenBSD4.1 IPSEC - transport_send_messages: giving up on...

We've got similar problems about a year ago, when we deployed a
massive installation of vpn/ipsec clients based on isakmpd.

When testing the client robustness to a series of events, like physically
disconnecting network cables, simulating power failures and such, we
saw the same pattern.

Our solution was to use an external program to send simple icmp
packets to our internal network and restart isakmpd once "detecting"
the tunnel is down.

A web search has showed us that tunnel "recreation" is c...

Dec 6, 11:39 am 2007
Insan Praja SW
Re: A necessary evil: snmpd(8) and snmpctl(8)

On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 22:32:45 +0700, Jason George <lists@masterplan.org>

Well, finally.. my net-snmp 5.4p1 on 4.2 box keeps dying.. 5.4.1 eating my
cpus.. how can we test it?

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Dec 6, 12:40 pm 2007
Mayuresh Kathe
Re: PCMCIA card Reader...

Thanks for the reply.

I'm primarily buying this so that I can help Felix Kronlage test out
various data cards under OpenBSD.

Buying a $75 PCMCIA reader would certainly turn out to be cheaper than
investing money in a $800 laptop :-)

Best,

~Mayuresh

Dec 6, 2:04 am 2007
Ioan Nemes
Re: OpenBSD mentioned in Bruce Schneier interview

> ... hibernation modes are readily available.

Lars, you misspelled this, `available` = sucks!

OpenBSD gets a short mention in a blog:

Q:
"... why in the world canbt we design a computer that can
bcold bootb nearly instantaneously? I know about
hibernation, etc., but when I do have to reboot, I hate
waiting those three or four minutes. "

Schneier:
"Of course we can; Amiga was a fast booting computer,
and OpenBSD boxes boot in less than a minute. B...

Dec 6, 12:22 am 2007
Gilbert Fernandes
Re: Code signing in OpenBSD
[Empty message]
Dec 5, 9:35 pm 2007
Linus Swälas
Re: Code signing in OpenBSD

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 02:35:38 +0100, Gilbert Fernandes

Or you pull the MD5s from another source than your packages,
not bloody likely that the two different sites you've selected
for download has both been hacked.
This does not protect against the master site being owned though,
though I guess that'd be noticed and announced.

Easy thing is to use the CDs though, just as people has already
stated. =)

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Dec 5, 11:03 pm 2007
Gilbert Fernandes
Re: Code signing in OpenBSD

Having this being the default on ports could be a good
thing perhaps. The script would download the package
from a FTP and hashes from another one. But the hashes
are already stored inside the folder of the package on the
ports.. so to what use ?

Sources that get downloaded are hashed and the value compared
to the one stored by the package maintainer.

And you have to trust this person to be serious. And even
if he is, if he grabs the latest version of sources for XYZ
and those got a hole non ...

Dec 5, 10:15 pm 2007
Tony Abernethy
Re: Code signing in OpenBSD

This is silly. You mean that you get the checksums and the
associated binaries from the *SAME* website?

Dec 5, 8:15 pm 2007
bofh
Re: Code signing in OpenBSD

You're probably being sarcastic, but in the case of the master site,
it doesn't matter, because all the slaves probably rsync from the
master anyway.

--
http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk
"This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity."
-- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation.
"Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or
internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks
factory where smo...

Dec 5, 8:56 pm 2007
Tony Abernethy
Re: Code signing in OpenBSD

You know something is wrong when the checksum changes when

Dec 5, 9:48 pm 2007
Hannah Schroeter
Re: Code signing in OpenBSD

Hi!

If I released code with cryptographic signatures, I'd not leave a secret
key file, nor a passphrase on the servers with the master web/ftp
site. I'd sign on a box you can't access from the master site (nor
the mirrors). So, no, the attacker would *not* gain access to signing
tools (ok, yes, the tools, perhaps, like gpg or openssl, but not the

Kind regards,

Hannah.

Dec 6, 6:52 am 2007
STeve Andre'
Re: Code signing in OpenBSD

Heh--you're intelligent. But I know of two places where everything was
stored on the one machine, and I think one of those sites still hasn't
gotten it through their heads that this isn't a good idea.

--STeve Andre'

Dec 6, 3:49 pm 2007
Claus Assmann
Re: Code signing in OpenBSD

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hmm, did you read what I wrote?

The breakin was detected due to the digital signature.

Anyway, it's obviously up to the OpenBSD developers what they do.

Dec 5, 11:02 pm 2007
Otto Moerbeek
Re: Code signing in OpenBSD

Code signing has it's use, but it does not come for free. It's quite
involved. As always, the key problem is key management, not the
signing itself.

As an illustration, read what I wrote when similar questions came up 5
years ago, and dont forget Dug Song's answer to my post.

<http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=103769360002468&w=2>

-Otto

Dec 6, 2:55 am 2007
Hannah Schroeter
Re: Code signing in OpenBSD
[Empty message]
Dec 6, 6:50 am 2007
Lars Hansson
Re: Code signing in OpenBSD

It's not really OpenBSD's problem that some companies implement pointless
"security" policies.

---
Lars Hansson

Dec 6, 12:37 am 2007
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Re: Code signing in OpenBSD

I'm not discussing wether its pointless or not, maybe you don't want
OpenBSD to be used at all?

Rui

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Dec 6, 5:45 am 2007
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Re: Code signing in OpenBSD

You're ignoring that it is perhaps quite insane to expect anyone to
verify every single line of code, and a (so far very much deserved)
trust is given to the developers. Which is why I would very much like to
be absolutely sure the CD I bought brought the release the developers
intended to publish.

This is not about downloading OpenBSD, but of having a quite measurable
degree of trust that what you have is what you were supposed to have.

Btw, it would be much better to use a hashing algorithm...

Dec 6, 5:44 am 2007
Martin Schröder
Re: Code signing in OpenBSD

And what are package updates?

Does pkg_add -u even check an e.g. md5 or does it trust the server?

Best
Martin

Dec 6, 4:20 am 2007
Hannah Schroeter
Re: Code signing in OpenBSD

Hi!

One risk would be the plans of "online surveillance" of computers e.g.
in Germany. One way to install surveillance even on OpenBSD would be to
actively interfere with the internet connection with the surveilled
person, in the man-in-the-middle sense, and inject trojanned code
("Bundestrojaner") into the updates of the victim.

Using OpenBSD CDs doesn't protect the victim from attacks like that
that much because many people need ports/packages and to get fixes one
virtually has to use -curre...

Dec 6, 6:48 am 2007
Douglas A. Tutty
Re: Code signing in OpenBSD

Using software from any source without interference from an
all-pervasive government is a very special, but unfortunatly today, a
very real issue for many people around the world. To be secure, you
have to get pieces of the puzzle over multiple paths. It all can't come
via the net since then you're open to man-in-the-middle.

Key-revocation announcements could come over the net (via an announce
list) but the new key would then have to come over a second channel.

One second-channel option is ...

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