Re: Real men don't attack straw men

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Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 7:53 pm

On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 01:49:19PM -0700, Jack J. Woehr wrote:

his absolutism also causes people to see BSD as a "problem", a
"social failure".

> So it's not non-functional. It's emotionally hard on the

recently we saw theft of BSD to GPL, and a large part of the
GPL community thinks there's no problem with that, that the
BSD community is being "petty" to make an issue out of it.

and all stallman says about it is basically, "I am not familiar
with the situation, leave me alone."

I would like to see more cooperation between the free software
developers.

but IMO, stallman is the one being far more unfriendly and
uncooperative. of course stallman is not directly responsible
for the actions of the GPL community. but his opinions do wield
power. didn't this whole thread start because of his opinions
and recommendations?

now stallman won't talk to theo, because theo is unabashed in
stating his opinions? just look at the thread. between theo
and stallman, who posted the most words, and who gave less
misinformation/slant?

in much fewer words: the gutless politician attempted to use his
influence to snub and smear his opponent. when fallacies in his
campaign were brought to light, he accused his opponent of being
unfriendly.

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Real men don't attack straw men, Richard Stallman, (Mon Dec 10, 11:18 am)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Marc Balmer, (Thu Dec 13, 4:30 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Borja Tarraso, (Thu Dec 13, 6:05 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Jack J. Woehr, (Thu Dec 13, 7:16 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Whyzzi, (Thu Dec 13, 8:18 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra, (Thu Dec 13, 6:15 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Jason Dixon, (Thu Dec 13, 8:39 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Rod Whitworth, (Thu Dec 13, 8:16 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Rod Whitworth, (Thu Dec 13, 6:22 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Marc Balmer, (Thu Dec 13, 4:35 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, RedShift, (Tue Dec 11, 5:23 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Tom Van Looy, (Tue Dec 11, 3:39 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Johan SANCHEZ, (Tue Dec 11, 4:33 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, mcb, inc., (Tue Dec 11, 4:10 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Jack J. Woehr, (Tue Dec 11, 4:49 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Jacob Meuser, (Tue Dec 11, 7:53 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Richard Stallman, (Thu Dec 13, 12:51 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Daniel Ouellet, (Thu Dec 13, 4:59 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Richard Stallman, (Fri Dec 14, 4:49 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Alexander Terekhov, (Fri Jan 4, 9:18 am)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Sam Fourman Jr., (Fri Dec 14, 7:54 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Jonathan Gray, (Fri Dec 14, 7:58 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Marco Peereboom, (Fri Dec 14, 6:46 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Benjamin M. A'Lee, (Thu Dec 13, 9:03 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Marco Peereboom, (Thu Dec 13, 4:39 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Matthew Dempsky, (Thu Dec 13, 7:15 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Daniel Ouellet, (Thu Dec 13, 8:57 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Nick Guenther, (Thu Dec 13, 1:59 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Jack J. Woehr, (Tue Dec 11, 8:11 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Jacob Meuser, (Tue Dec 11, 11:46 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Jan Stary, (Tue Dec 11, 9:01 am)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Richard Stallman, (Tue Dec 11, 7:56 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Paul de Weerd, (Thu Dec 13, 7:15 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Kyle George, (Wed Dec 12, 6:03 am)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Richard Stallman, (Thu Dec 13, 12:51 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Constantine A. Murenin, (Thu Dec 13, 2:35 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Erik Wikström, (Thu Dec 13, 2:34 pm)
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Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Richard Stallman, (Fri Dec 14, 4:50 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men , Theo de Raadt, (Thu Dec 13, 2:54 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Han Boetes, (Fri Dec 14, 7:02 am)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, V. Karthik Kumar, (Thu Dec 13, 7:20 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Jack J. Woehr, (Thu Dec 13, 4:30 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Jason Dixon, (Tue Dec 11, 8:24 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Richard Stallman, (Wed Dec 12, 6:53 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, ropers, (Wed Dec 12, 9:12 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Jacob Meuser, (Mon Dec 10, 8:58 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Marc Espie, (Mon Dec 10, 6:21 pm)
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Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Richard Stallman, (Tue Dec 11, 3:00 pm)
Re: Real men don't attack straw men, Steve Shockley, (Tue Dec 11, 6:31 pm)
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