On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 09:49:03AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote:

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> > > surely there must be _some_ merit to creating a list of lower level

> > > development tasks (as dictated by those with experience to judge) to

> > > encourage people to enter the development cycle.

> >

> > The most amusing thing about this thread is that such a list has been

> > published for years (it's somewhat short right now, but there's some

> > simple stuff in it) and is the first search hit when you search on one

> > of the obvious queries on google.

>

> Surely they are too busy whining at us for lists, to actually search

> for the lists.

>

> I'll say it again more clearly -- all of you whiners just plain suck.

Who do you mean with whiners? People who report bugs? Those people save you

work, because instead of having to run time-consuming tests to find the

problems, you just rake the problem reports in from these people.
> We know you'll never write diffs, and it is up to you to prove us
I fixed some bugs in BRL-CAD (a 30 year old oldschool C-only 3D modelling

system from the US Army) because BRL-CAD people are friendly and helpful.

Instead of "you suck", they tell you "this XX you wrote cannot work because of

YY".
I asked here for janitor list, got a reply that it doesn't exist. I looked

into the PR database into documentation section but there were 0 hits. I looked

into other sections but that seemed to be complicated, I don't want to invest

significant time into learning OpenBSD internals at the moment.
CL<

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> wrong.  If you don't write diffs, we have a difficult time feeling any

> loss.