Vincent GROSS wrote:

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> Okay, so if we're looking for a list of simple tasks to train

> ourselves, PR list is a good place.

> At least I've learned something today (mandatory whine : why did we

> have to wait the 17th post to see this list mentioned ?).

the PR database is quite well visible on the OpenBSD website.  It's

even a direct link on the homepage even, so come on...
>

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> On 10/31/07, Theo de Raadt  wrote:

>>> On 31.10-08:40, Theo de Raadt wrote:

>>> [ ... ]

>>>>      > Yeah, right.

>>> [ ... ]

>>>> I don't understand. Is newbies learning new things a waste to you? Do

>>>> you think they won't really learn anything unless the patch is

>>>> approved? Or will the patches not be subject to peer review? Or are

>>>> you worried at who would pass for peer review getting overwhelmed by a

>>>> huge volume of poor quality patches?

>>> and i would suggest that the severe and prevelant attitude toward the

>>> possibilty of poor patches or under-educated actions is the most

>>> significant barrier to encouraging new/young developers.

>> Yes, it is a significant problem that we won't hand-hold whiners who

>> could by now be digging for things to fix.  There are hundreds of ways

>> to self-motivate, but instead we get whine whine whine.

>>

>> We've got a PR database with bugs in it, and we NEVER get fixes from

>> outsiders.  That's not news to anyone, if they actually wanted to do

>> more than whine whine whine.

>>

>> Hey, don't blame us if many of you guys are lazy whiners.

>>

>> STOP telling us that we need to do more than we already do.

>>

>> If you want to be more involved, _you've_ got to step up to the plate.

>>

>> But please, first cut the whining.  It's just childish.