Okay, so if we're looking for a list of simple tasks to train

ourselves, PR list is a good place.

At least I've learned something today (mandatory whine : why did we

have to wait the 17th post to see this list mentioned ?).
On 10/31/07, Theo de Raadt  wrote:

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> >On 31.10-08:40, Theo de Raadt wrote:

> >[ ... ]

> >>      > Yeah, right.

> >[ ... ]

> >> I don't understand. Is newbies learning new things a waste to you? Do

> >> you think they won't really learn anything unless the patch is

> >> approved? Or will the patches not be subject to peer review? Or are

> >> you worried at who would pass for peer review getting overwhelmed by a

> >> huge volume of poor quality patches?

> >

> >and i would suggest that the severe and prevelant attitude toward the

> >possibilty of poor patches or under-educated actions is the most

> >significant barrier to encouraging new/young developers.

>

> Yes, it is a significant problem that we won't hand-hold whiners who

> could by now be digging for things to fix.  There are hundreds of ways

> to self-motivate, but instead we get whine whine whine.

>

> We've got a PR database with bugs in it, and we NEVER get fixes from

> outsiders.  That's not news to anyone, if they actually wanted to do

> more than whine whine whine.

>

> Hey, don't blame us if many of you guys are lazy whiners.

>

> STOP telling us that we need to do more than we already do.

>

> If you want to be more involved, _you've_ got to step up to the plate.

>

> But please, first cut the whining.  It's just childish.

>

>

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