>On 31.10-08:40, Theo de Raadt wrote:
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>> 	> Yeah, right.
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>> I don't understand. Is newbies learning new things a waste to you? Do
>> you think they won't really learn anything unless the patch is
>> approved? Or will the patches not be subject to peer review? Or are
>> you worried at who would pass for peer review getting overwhelmed by a
>> huge volume of poor quality patches?
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>and i would suggest that the severe and prevelant attitude toward the
>possibilty of poor patches or under-educated actions is the most
>significant barrier to encouraging new/young developers.

Yes, it is a significant problem that we won't hand-hold whiners who
could by now be digging for things to fix.  There are hundreds of ways
to self-motivate, but instead we get whine whine whine.

We've got a PR database with bugs in it, and we NEVER get fixes from
outsiders.  That's not news to anyone, if they actually wanted to do
more than whine whine whine.

Hey, don't blame us if many of you guys are lazy whiners.

STOP telling us that we need to do more than we already do.

If you want to be more involved, _you've_ got to step up to the plate.

But please, first cut the whining.  It's just childish.