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To: L. V. Lammert <lvl@...>
Cc: 'Misc-Openbsd Listserv' <misc@...>
Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 8:43 pm

On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 05:44:37PM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote:

Actually, that's a fair assessment at this point.

Looking at what you've written, you seem to consider OpenBSD to be
pretty secure. By extension, let's assume the developers, and Theo in
particular, have some darned good knowledge about security and some
priorities in that regard. Then, when Theo and developers (and others in
this community) weigh in and tell you that virtualization is not more
secure, but less, you continue and continue.

As someone who doesn't know a great deal about virtualization, I can
tell you that you're not convincing me of anything with your arguments.
I feel confident in saying that you're not convincing any of the devs,
either. And I doubt you've done much for this cause with the list
members at large.

So what the hell are you doing? Just flaming now? Gave up trying to show
something and just trying to get a few jabs in?

As someone who reads this list and would like to know more about
virtualization, pros and cons, I ask you to put more actual meat into
your posts if you're going to continue. As it stands, fits
all too well.

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Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Henning Brauer, (Wed Oct 24, 4:18 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Wed Oct 24, 9:31 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Dave Anderson, (Wed Oct 24, 11:45 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Lars Hansson, (Thu Oct 25, 12:50 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Henning Brauer, (Wed Oct 24, 11:12 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Wed Oct 24, 1:48 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , Theo de Raadt, (Wed Oct 24, 2:03 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , L. V. Lammert, (Wed Oct 24, 2:41 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Darren Spruell, (Wed Oct 24, 3:27 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Henning Brauer, (Wed Oct 24, 4:16 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Jason Dixon, (Wed Oct 24, 4:37 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Darren Spruell, (Wed Oct 24, 9:46 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , Theo de Raadt, (Wed Oct 24, 3:46 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Wed Oct 24, 4:31 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Kevin Stam, (Wed Oct 24, 5:04 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Lars Noodén, (Thu Oct 25, 2:14 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Richard Toohey, (Thu Oct 25, 3:28 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Richard Toohey, (Thu Oct 25, 3:37 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Douglas A. Tutty, (Thu Oct 25, 9:16 am)
Hardware support for secure virtualization (was: About Xen: ..., Rodrigo V. Raimundo, (Thu Oct 25, 6:50 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Lars Noodén, (Thu Oct 25, 4:00 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Richard Toohey, (Thu Oct 25, 4:06 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , Theo de Raadt, (Wed Oct 24, 5:41 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , Jack J. Woehr, (Wed Oct 24, 6:52 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Daniel Ouellet, (Wed Oct 24, 5:19 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Paul de Weerd, (Wed Oct 24, 3:22 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Matthew Weigel, (Wed Oct 24, 6:35 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , Theo de Raadt, (Wed Oct 24, 2:57 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Wed Oct 24, 4:48 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , Theo de Raadt, (Wed Oct 24, 5:31 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , L. V. Lammert, (Wed Oct 24, 5:59 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Steve Shockley, (Wed Oct 24, 9:53 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Thu Oct 25, 11:02 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Wed Oct 24, 9:14 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Damien Miller, (Wed Oct 24, 10:01 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Adam Getchell, (Thu Oct 25, 10:30 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Thu Oct 25, 12:11 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Damien Miller, (Wed Oct 24, 10:05 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Tony Abernethy, (Wed Oct 24, 11:07 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Douglas A. Tutty, (Thu Oct 25, 9:04 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Thu Oct 25, 12:09 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , Theo de Raadt, (Wed Oct 24, 10:01 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Tom Van Looy, (Thu Oct 25, 12:54 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Subcommander l0r3zz, (Thu Oct 25, 4:36 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Matt Rowley, (Fri Oct 26, 8:34 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Subcommander l0r3zz, (Fri Oct 26, 1:23 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , Jeremy Huiskamp, (Wed Oct 24, 7:52 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Wed Oct 24, 9:27 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Shawn K. Quinn, (Sun Oct 28, 2:29 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Douglas A. Tutty, (Sun Oct 28, 6:18 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Nick Holland, (Sun Oct 28, 10:31 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Douglas A. Tutty, (Mon Oct 29, 8:43 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Douglas A. Tutty, (Mon Oct 29, 4:26 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Karsten McMinn, (Thu Oct 25, 12:15 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , Tony Abernethy, (Wed Oct 24, 6:27 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , L. V. Lammert, (Wed Oct 24, 6:44 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Darrin Chandler, (Wed Oct 24, 8:43 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Wed Oct 24, 9:20 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Darrin Chandler, (Wed Oct 24, 9:54 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Jason Dixon, (Wed Oct 24, 9:57 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Thu Oct 25, 10:06 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Jason Dixon, (Thu Oct 25, 12:23 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Thu Oct 25, 1:43 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Thu Oct 25, 12:26 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Henning Brauer, (Wed Oct 24, 5:26 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Wed Oct 24, 6:00 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Henning Brauer, (Wed Oct 24, 6:14 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Paul de Weerd, (Wed Oct 24, 10:50 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Wed Oct 24, 1:16 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , Theo de Raadt, (Wed Oct 24, 1:45 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Adam Getchell, (Wed Oct 24, 12:46 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , Theo de Raadt, (Wed Oct 24, 12:59 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , Jack J. Woehr, (Wed Oct 24, 1:14 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Marc Espie, (Wed Oct 24, 1:44 pm)