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To: L. V. Lammert <lvl@...>
Cc: Theo de Raadt <deraadt@...>, Misc-Openbsd Listserv <misc@...>
Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 3:22 pm

On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 01:41:38PM -0500, L. V. Lammert wrote:
| For example, say you have three departments within a company: Marketing, 
| Development, Production. Allowing each department to maintain their own 
| server instance allows each department to have their own users, home 
| directory configuration, samba (possibly) network config & authorization, 
| separate file/print sharing domain, etc.
| 
| That is simple not doable with a single OS, yet with a reasonable priced of 
| h/w all can be maintained on one platform.
| 
| The security benefits are at the application level, *NOT* at the OS level.

Let's have a look at the case.

Three departments all on one machine, each under one VM.

Why compare this to all departments on one machine, all on the same
OS ? That's not a fair comparison.

Compare your one machine with 3 VMs to three machines. What do you
think is more secure ? If you really, honestly think that the one
machine/3 VM's solution is more secure, I'm actually very interested
in your reasoning for this.

You seperate and isolate each department on their own machine. As
secure as the OS and/or application running on that machine.

Now you join three machines into one machine with three VMs, adding a
layer of complexity/code that is quite useful (as it saves on hardware
costs) but maybe not very mature yet.

How does that joining *add* security ? Please elaborate.

Cheers,

Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd

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Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Henning Brauer, (Wed Oct 24, 4:18 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Wed Oct 24, 9:31 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Dave Anderson, (Wed Oct 24, 11:45 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Lars Hansson, (Thu Oct 25, 12:50 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Henning Brauer, (Wed Oct 24, 11:12 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Wed Oct 24, 1:48 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , Theo de Raadt, (Wed Oct 24, 2:03 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , L. V. Lammert, (Wed Oct 24, 2:41 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Darren Spruell, (Wed Oct 24, 3:27 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Henning Brauer, (Wed Oct 24, 4:16 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Jason Dixon, (Wed Oct 24, 4:37 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Darren Spruell, (Wed Oct 24, 9:46 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , Theo de Raadt, (Wed Oct 24, 3:46 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Wed Oct 24, 4:31 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Kevin Stam, (Wed Oct 24, 5:04 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Lars Noodén, (Thu Oct 25, 2:14 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Richard Toohey, (Thu Oct 25, 3:28 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Richard Toohey, (Thu Oct 25, 3:37 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Douglas A. Tutty, (Thu Oct 25, 9:16 am)
Hardware support for secure virtualization (was: About Xen: ..., Rodrigo V. Raimundo, (Thu Oct 25, 6:50 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Lars Noodén, (Thu Oct 25, 4:00 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Richard Toohey, (Thu Oct 25, 4:06 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , Theo de Raadt, (Wed Oct 24, 5:41 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , Jack J. Woehr, (Wed Oct 24, 6:52 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Daniel Ouellet, (Wed Oct 24, 5:19 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Paul de Weerd, (Wed Oct 24, 3:22 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Matthew Weigel, (Wed Oct 24, 6:35 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , Theo de Raadt, (Wed Oct 24, 2:57 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Wed Oct 24, 4:48 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , Theo de Raadt, (Wed Oct 24, 5:31 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , L. V. Lammert, (Wed Oct 24, 5:59 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Steve Shockley, (Wed Oct 24, 9:53 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Thu Oct 25, 11:02 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Wed Oct 24, 9:14 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Damien Miller, (Wed Oct 24, 10:01 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Adam Getchell, (Thu Oct 25, 10:30 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Thu Oct 25, 12:11 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Damien Miller, (Wed Oct 24, 10:05 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Tony Abernethy, (Wed Oct 24, 11:07 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Douglas A. Tutty, (Thu Oct 25, 9:04 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Thu Oct 25, 12:09 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , Theo de Raadt, (Wed Oct 24, 10:01 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Tom Van Looy, (Thu Oct 25, 12:54 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Subcommander l0r3zz, (Thu Oct 25, 4:36 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Matt Rowley, (Fri Oct 26, 8:34 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Subcommander l0r3zz, (Fri Oct 26, 1:23 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , Jeremy Huiskamp, (Wed Oct 24, 7:52 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Wed Oct 24, 9:27 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Shawn K. Quinn, (Sun Oct 28, 2:29 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Douglas A. Tutty, (Sun Oct 28, 6:18 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Nick Holland, (Sun Oct 28, 10:31 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Douglas A. Tutty, (Mon Oct 29, 8:43 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Douglas A. Tutty, (Mon Oct 29, 4:26 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Karsten McMinn, (Thu Oct 25, 12:15 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , Tony Abernethy, (Wed Oct 24, 6:27 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , L. V. Lammert, (Wed Oct 24, 6:44 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Darrin Chandler, (Wed Oct 24, 8:43 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Wed Oct 24, 9:20 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Darrin Chandler, (Wed Oct 24, 9:54 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Jason Dixon, (Wed Oct 24, 9:57 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Thu Oct 25, 10:06 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Jason Dixon, (Thu Oct 25, 12:23 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Thu Oct 25, 1:43 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Thu Oct 25, 12:26 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Henning Brauer, (Wed Oct 24, 5:26 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Wed Oct 24, 6:00 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Henning Brauer, (Wed Oct 24, 6:14 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Paul de Weerd, (Wed Oct 24, 10:50 am)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., L. V. Lammert, (Wed Oct 24, 1:16 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , Theo de Raadt, (Wed Oct 24, 1:45 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Adam Getchell, (Wed Oct 24, 12:46 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , Theo de Raadt, (Wed Oct 24, 12:59 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .. , Jack J. Woehr, (Wed Oct 24, 1:14 pm)
Re: About Xen: maybe a reiterative question but .., Marc Espie, (Wed Oct 24, 1:44 pm)
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