> At 05:12 PM 10/24/2007 +0200, Henning Brauer wrote:

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> >* L. V. Lammert  [2007-10-24 16:46]:

> > > Virtualization provides near absolute security - DOM0 is not visible to

> > > the user at all, only passing network traffic and handling kernel calls.

> > > The security comes about in that each DOMU is totally isolated from the

> > > the others, while the core DOM0 is isolated from any attacks.

> >

> >dream on.

> >that is what marketing wants to tell you.

> >in fact the isolation is incredibly poor.

>

> Sorry, the kernel hacking world is pretty far removed from 'enterprise

> reality' !!

> In reality, there are tons of SMEs out there using MS Crap and other risky

> software! The few security risks you cite for XEN are negligable by comparison.

>

> Anything we can do to increase security, *including* setting up VMs (of any

> flavor) is an improvement [that also increased hardware utilization].

This last sentence is such a lie.  
The fact is that you, and most of the other fanboys, only care about

the [that also increased hardware utilization].  The yammering about

security is just one thing -- job security.  You've got to be able to

sell increased harwdare utilization in a way that does not hang you up

at the end of the day.
If people were saying:
	"Yes, it increased hardware utilization, and the nasty

	security impact might be low"
it would be fine.
But instead we have many uneducated people saying:
       "Yes, it increased hardware utilization, and it improved security too".
And that's complete and utter bullshit.