Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?

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From: Timothy Miller
Date: Friday, June 23, 2006 - 1:22 pm

On 6/23/06, Dieter <netbsd@sopwith.solgatos.com> wrote:


I don't know about you guys, but if someone takes IP we release for
this project under GPL and puts it into their own chip without either
paying for it or releasing the rest of their design under GPL, I'm
going feel personally insulted and cheated.  Not to say that I don't
expect a certain amount of piracy, but the one idea behind releasing
it under GPL is that you CAN try it before you buy it.  The instant
someone else starts making money from our work here without us
benefitting from it, that's highway robbery.  It's theft not only from
those who worked on it directly but from the community as a whole.

How I feel about someone downloading songs from the internet depends
on how they dealt with their downloads later.  Were they trying to
find out what they liked?  Did they delete the MP3s they didn't like?
Did they buy legit copies of the ones they did like?  The fact that
the RIAA is evil does complicate matters.  But I also don't pirate
Microsoft stuff.  To some people, they feel justified in pirating
commercial software on the grounds that proprietary software or some
given vendor is evil.  I don't.  If I want it badly enough, I'm going
to pay for it; mostly I just avoid it entirely.  To me, copyright is
our friend, because it's what protects our GPL'd works from being
pirated by companies that want to benefit from our work without giving
back to the community.  That copyright law doesn't apply only when I
want it to and not apply when it's inconvenient.

I've never bought into those arguments that it's okay to copy digital
material because it doesn't cost any extra just to make a copy.  Oh, I
agree that it's hard to put in the same class as, say, a Fabergee egg
or something else with tangible presence.  But the work and
craftsmanship that goes into developing a good piece of software
should be shown no less respect than what went into a piece of art.
Being easier to copy doesn't enter into it.  Should we be allowed to
make and distribute as many copies as we like of a Picasso painting?
It was easy to copy!  Just scan and print!  Microsoft Office is easy
to copy, just like your favorite They Might Be Giants songs.  But then
so is OpenOffice, and we should prevent people from abusing the rights
of the people who developed it.

As much as I am bothered by copyright violation, however, I hate DRM
more, and I'm a very strong believer in fair-use.  I'm very happy that
iTunes lets you listen to a 30-second snippet of a song before you
have to pay for it, and if I buy a song, I damn well better be able to
burn compilations of my favorites so I can play them in the car.
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Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes. , Dieter, (Fri May 12, 12:26 pm)
[Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Ray Heasman, (Fri May 12, 12:57 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Vinicius Santos, (Fri May 12, 3:30 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Fri May 12, 4:28 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Fri May 12, 4:45 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Ray Heasman, (Fri May 12, 6:30 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Fri May 12, 8:11 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Jan Knutar, (Fri May 12, 9:02 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Peter Brett, (Sat May 13, 1:36 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Ray Heasman, (Sat May 13, 10:12 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Ray Heasman, (Sat May 13, 12:49 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Sat May 13, 1:06 pm)
RE: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Nicolas Capens, (Sat May 13, 1:29 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Sat May 13, 7:46 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Sat May 13, 8:03 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Sat May 13, 8:31 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Sat May 13, 8:46 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Ray Heasman, (Sat May 13, 10:29 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Ray Heasman, (Sun May 14, 12:13 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Erik Hofman, (Mon May 15, 1:10 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes (and some s ..., Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Mon May 15, 6:05 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Mon May 15, 6:59 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Mon May 15, 7:05 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Mon May 15, 7:15 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Rogelio Serrano, (Mon May 15, 7:25 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Mon May 15, 7:28 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Rogelio Serrano, (Mon May 15, 7:30 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Tue May 16, 9:27 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Jack Carroll, (Tue May 16, 9:34 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Jack Carroll, (Tue May 16, 9:45 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Sun May 21, 6:55 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Mon May 22, 4:39 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Jack Carroll, (Mon May 22, 8:46 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Hamish Marson, (Mon May 22, 9:41 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Hamish Marson, (Mon May 22, 9:49 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., szefirov@ot.ru, (Tue May 23, 1:26 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Hamish Marson, (Tue May 23, 5:26 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., szefirov@ot.ru, (Wed May 24, 2:01 am)
[Open-graphics] free/open as selling point, Dieter, (Wed May 24, 3:13 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Wed May 24, 4:50 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Wed May 24, 1:12 pm)
[Open-graphics] Re: The Emperor Has No Trade Secrets, Timothy Miller, (Wed May 24, 1:30 pm)
[Open-graphics] Re: The Emperor Has No Trade Secrets, Timothy Miller, (Wed May 24, 4:52 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: The Emperor Has No Trade Secrets, Timothy Miller, (Wed May 24, 4:54 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., josephhenryblack, (Wed May 24, 6:06 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: The Emperor Has No Trade Secrets, josephhenryblack, (Thu May 25, 3:07 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: The Emperor Has No Trade Secrets, Timothy Miller, (Thu May 25, 4:50 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: The Emperor Has No Trade Secrets, Timothy Miller, (Thu May 25, 11:50 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., James Richard Tyrer, (Mon Jun 19, 9:15 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Justin R Findlay, (Tue Jun 20, 1:07 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Raphaël Jacquot, (Tue Jun 20, 9:50 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., James Richard Tyrer, (Tue Jun 20, 10:37 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Tue Jun 20, 11:31 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Tue Jun 20, 11:57 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., James Richard Tyrer, (Tue Jun 20, 2:17 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Tue Jun 20, 2:27 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Jack Carroll, (Tue Jun 20, 4:40 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Jack Carroll, (Tue Jun 20, 4:44 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Tue Jun 20, 6:22 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Tue Jun 20, 10:04 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Raphael Jacquot, (Wed Jun 21, 12:47 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., howard parkin, (Wed Jun 21, 7:45 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., James Richard Tyrer, (Wed Jun 21, 9:11 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Thu Jun 22, 12:51 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Hamish Marson, (Thu Jun 22, 2:19 am)
[Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Dieter, (Thu Jun 22, 2:33 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Thu Jun 22, 4:12 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Thu Jun 22, 4:14 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Thu Jun 22, 4:18 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Thu Jun 22, 9:20 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Thu Jun 22, 9:29 am)
[Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs, Dieter, (Thu Jun 22, 10:02 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Thu Jun 22, 11:02 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Hamish Marson, (Thu Jun 22, 11:04 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., James Richard Tyrer, (Thu Jun 22, 11:21 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Tim Schmidt, (Thu Jun 22, 11:52 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Thu Jun 22, 11:52 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., josephhenryblack, (Thu Jun 22, 12:31 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Tim Schmidt, (Fri Jun 23, 2:16 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs , Dieter, (Fri Jun 23, 2:24 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Jan Knutar, (Fri Jun 23, 2:30 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs, Hamish Marson, (Fri Jun 23, 2:35 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs , Dieter, (Fri Jun 23, 3:59 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs, Hamish, (Fri Jun 23, 11:05 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Timothy Miller, (Fri Jun 23, 1:22 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs, Timothy Miller, (Fri Jun 23, 1:24 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Lourens Veen, (Fri Jun 23, 1:33 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Hamish, (Fri Jun 23, 2:51 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Timothy Miller, (Fri Jun 23, 2:56 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Timothy Miller, (Fri Jun 23, 3:30 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Jack Carroll, (Fri Jun 23, 4:42 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Hamish, (Fri Jun 23, 5:09 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., James Richard Tyrer, (Sat Jun 24, 9:51 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., James Richard Tyrer, (Sat Jun 24, 10:18 pm)
[Open-graphics] CPU for X server, Dieter, (Sun Jun 25, 12:19 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., James Richard Tyrer, (Sun Jun 25, 3:16 am)
[Open-graphics] Re: CPU for X server, James Richard Tyrer, (Sun Jun 25, 1:16 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: CPU for X server , Dieter, (Mon Jun 26, 3:44 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: CPU for X server, Richard Smith, (Mon Jun 26, 8:35 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: CPU for X server, Timothy Miller, (Mon Jun 26, 11:54 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: CPU for X server, James Richard Tyrer, (Mon Jun 26, 12:22 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: CPU for X server, Hans Kristian Rosbach, (Tue Jun 27, 7:51 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs, James Richard Tyrer, (Tue Jun 27, 11:38 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs - intel vs amd ..., Hans Kristian Rosbach, (Wed Jun 28, 2:48 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs - intel vs amd ..., Hans Kristian Rosbach, (Wed Jun 28, 3:14 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs - intel vs amd ..., Hans Kristian Rosbach, (Wed Jun 28, 4:10 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs, James Richard Tyrer, (Wed Jun 28, 2:44 pm)
[Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Dieter, (Thu Jun 29, 4:38 am)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics] , Dieter, (Thu Jun 29, 9:38 am)
Re: X-video-server (was: Re: [Open-graphics] single vs mul ..., Nicholas Sinnott-Arm ..., (Thu Jun 29, 1:51 pm)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], luc, (Thu Jun 29, 2:50 pm)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics] , Nicholas Sinnott-Arm ..., (Thu Jun 29, 7:25 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Lourens Veen, (Fri Jun 30, 12:51 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server , Dieter, (Fri Jun 30, 1:38 am)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics] , Dieter, (Fri Jun 30, 10:03 am)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], luc, (Fri Jun 30, 10:22 am)
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Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Hamish, (Fri Jun 30, 11:10 am)
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Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], luc, (Fri Jun 30, 12:43 pm)
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Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], Nicholas, (Fri Jun 30, 8:09 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server , Dieter, (Sat Jul 1, 1:22 am)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics] , Dieter, (Sat Jul 1, 2:37 am)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], luc, (Sat Jul 1, 4:33 am)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics] , Dieter, (Sat Jul 1, 11:18 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server , Dieter, (Sat Jul 1, 11:35 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server , Dieter, (Sat Jul 1, 1:08 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Lourens Veen, (Sat Jul 1, 1:56 pm)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], luc, (Sat Jul 1, 2:20 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, James Richard Tyrer, (Sat Jul 1, 4:22 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, James Richard Tyrer, (Sat Jul 1, 4:37 pm)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], James Richard Tyrer, (Sat Jul 1, 5:21 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, James Richard Tyrer, (Sat Jul 1, 10:02 pm)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics] , Dieter, (Sun Jul 2, 1:30 am)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], Hamish, (Sun Jul 2, 3:18 am)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], luc, (Sun Jul 2, 6:31 am)
[Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Dieter, (Sun Jul 2, 11:23 am)
[Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server , Dieter, (Sun Jul 2, 4:48 pm)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], James Richard Tyrer, (Sun Jul 2, 9:47 pm)
[Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Lourens Veen, (Sun Jul 2, 11:06 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server , Dieter, (Mon Jul 3, 1:55 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server , Dieter, (Mon Jul 3, 2:06 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Timothy Miller, (Mon Jul 3, 3:24 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Lourens Veen, (Mon Jul 3, 5:44 am)
[Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Lourens Veen, (Mon Jul 3, 5:53 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Timothy Miller, (Mon Jul 3, 6:13 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Timothy Miller, (Mon Jul 3, 6:15 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Nicholas, (Mon Jul 3, 6:56 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Hamish Marson, (Mon Jul 3, 7:41 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Timothy Miller, (Mon Jul 3, 10:25 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, luc, (Tue Jul 4, 11:04 am)