Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes.

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From: Hamish
Date: Friday, May 19, 2006 - 3:21 pm

On Tuesday 16 May 2006 03:15, Terry Hancock wrote:
writes:

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At the risk of being shouted down, I say BULL.

When was the last time Intel, AMD or IBM, SUN etc released a CPU that had no 
register level description? Never. That's when. Because people expect to be 
able to cut code to run on them. 

For some strange reason the graphics vendors have got into their heads that 
somehow they're so much more special than the CPU vendors when all they're 
really doing is producgin a specialised processor that runs through & 
performs the exact same thing as a general purpose CPU (i.e. follows 
instructions & peforms some memory alteration because of them).

There is no need or defense for vendors to keep their hardware interface 
secret. At the very most I'd forgive them for doing something like Intel with 
their wireless (802.11) chipsets like the ip2100 and ipw2200. 

All they need to do is build a chip with an open & documented interface. Who 
cares HOW it does it, as long as it does what it says on the tin... Keeping 
secrets seems like it's more to protect themselves from having their faults 
known than anything else.

(Sorry. Shouldn't post when I've been drinking I know). But this thread is 
gettign annoying. If you don't like the OGD, build your own competing product 
& sell that. Heck maybe two new products would be enough to make Nvidea & ATI 
realise we're not quite a thick & ham fisted as they seem to think & can 
really be trusted to know & see the code to interface to their chipsets.



H
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Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes. , Dieter, (Fri May 12, 12:26 pm)
[Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Ray Heasman, (Fri May 12, 12:57 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Vinicius Santos, (Fri May 12, 3:30 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Fri May 12, 4:28 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Fri May 12, 4:45 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Ray Heasman, (Fri May 12, 6:30 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Fri May 12, 8:11 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Jan Knutar, (Fri May 12, 9:02 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Peter Brett, (Sat May 13, 1:36 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Ray Heasman, (Sat May 13, 10:12 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Ray Heasman, (Sat May 13, 12:49 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Sat May 13, 1:06 pm)
RE: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Nicolas Capens, (Sat May 13, 1:29 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Sat May 13, 7:46 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Sat May 13, 8:03 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Sat May 13, 8:31 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Sat May 13, 8:46 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Ray Heasman, (Sat May 13, 10:29 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Ray Heasman, (Sun May 14, 12:13 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Erik Hofman, (Mon May 15, 1:10 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes (and some s ..., Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Mon May 15, 6:05 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Mon May 15, 6:59 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Mon May 15, 7:05 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Mon May 15, 7:15 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Rogelio Serrano, (Mon May 15, 7:25 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Mon May 15, 7:28 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Rogelio Serrano, (Mon May 15, 7:30 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Tue May 16, 9:27 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Jack Carroll, (Tue May 16, 9:34 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Jack Carroll, (Tue May 16, 9:45 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Hamish, (Fri May 19, 3:21 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Sun May 21, 6:55 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Mon May 22, 4:39 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Jack Carroll, (Mon May 22, 8:46 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Hamish Marson, (Mon May 22, 9:41 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Hamish Marson, (Mon May 22, 9:49 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., szefirov@ot.ru, (Tue May 23, 1:26 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Hamish Marson, (Tue May 23, 5:26 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., szefirov@ot.ru, (Wed May 24, 2:01 am)
[Open-graphics] free/open as selling point, Dieter, (Wed May 24, 3:13 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Wed May 24, 4:50 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Wed May 24, 1:12 pm)
[Open-graphics] Re: The Emperor Has No Trade Secrets, Timothy Miller, (Wed May 24, 1:30 pm)
[Open-graphics] Re: The Emperor Has No Trade Secrets, Timothy Miller, (Wed May 24, 4:52 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: The Emperor Has No Trade Secrets, Timothy Miller, (Wed May 24, 4:54 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., josephhenryblack, (Wed May 24, 6:06 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: The Emperor Has No Trade Secrets, josephhenryblack, (Thu May 25, 3:07 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: The Emperor Has No Trade Secrets, Timothy Miller, (Thu May 25, 4:50 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: The Emperor Has No Trade Secrets, Timothy Miller, (Thu May 25, 11:50 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., James Richard Tyrer, (Mon Jun 19, 9:15 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Justin R Findlay, (Tue Jun 20, 1:07 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Raphaël Jacquot, (Tue Jun 20, 9:50 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., James Richard Tyrer, (Tue Jun 20, 10:37 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Tue Jun 20, 11:31 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Tue Jun 20, 11:57 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., James Richard Tyrer, (Tue Jun 20, 2:17 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Tue Jun 20, 2:27 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Jack Carroll, (Tue Jun 20, 4:40 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Jack Carroll, (Tue Jun 20, 4:44 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Tue Jun 20, 6:22 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Tue Jun 20, 10:04 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Raphael Jacquot, (Wed Jun 21, 12:47 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., howard parkin, (Wed Jun 21, 7:45 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., James Richard Tyrer, (Wed Jun 21, 9:11 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Thu Jun 22, 12:51 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Hamish Marson, (Thu Jun 22, 2:19 am)
[Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Dieter, (Thu Jun 22, 2:33 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Thu Jun 22, 4:12 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Thu Jun 22, 4:14 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Thu Jun 22, 4:18 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Thu Jun 22, 9:20 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Thu Jun 22, 9:29 am)
[Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs, Dieter, (Thu Jun 22, 10:02 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Thu Jun 22, 11:02 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Hamish Marson, (Thu Jun 22, 11:04 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., James Richard Tyrer, (Thu Jun 22, 11:21 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Tim Schmidt, (Thu Jun 22, 11:52 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Thu Jun 22, 11:52 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., josephhenryblack, (Thu Jun 22, 12:31 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Tim Schmidt, (Fri Jun 23, 2:16 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs , Dieter, (Fri Jun 23, 2:24 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Jan Knutar, (Fri Jun 23, 2:30 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs, Hamish Marson, (Fri Jun 23, 2:35 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs , Dieter, (Fri Jun 23, 3:59 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs, Hamish, (Fri Jun 23, 11:05 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Timothy Miller, (Fri Jun 23, 1:22 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs, Timothy Miller, (Fri Jun 23, 1:24 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Lourens Veen, (Fri Jun 23, 1:33 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Hamish, (Fri Jun 23, 2:51 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Timothy Miller, (Fri Jun 23, 2:56 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Timothy Miller, (Fri Jun 23, 3:30 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Jack Carroll, (Fri Jun 23, 4:42 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Hamish, (Fri Jun 23, 5:09 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., James Richard Tyrer, (Sat Jun 24, 9:51 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., James Richard Tyrer, (Sat Jun 24, 10:18 pm)
[Open-graphics] CPU for X server, Dieter, (Sun Jun 25, 12:19 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., James Richard Tyrer, (Sun Jun 25, 3:16 am)
[Open-graphics] Re: CPU for X server, James Richard Tyrer, (Sun Jun 25, 1:16 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: CPU for X server , Dieter, (Mon Jun 26, 3:44 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: CPU for X server, Richard Smith, (Mon Jun 26, 8:35 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: CPU for X server, Timothy Miller, (Mon Jun 26, 11:54 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: CPU for X server, James Richard Tyrer, (Mon Jun 26, 12:22 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: CPU for X server, Hans Kristian Rosbach, (Tue Jun 27, 7:51 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs, James Richard Tyrer, (Tue Jun 27, 11:38 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs - intel vs amd ..., Hans Kristian Rosbach, (Wed Jun 28, 2:48 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs - intel vs amd ..., Hans Kristian Rosbach, (Wed Jun 28, 3:14 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs - intel vs amd ..., Hans Kristian Rosbach, (Wed Jun 28, 4:10 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs, James Richard Tyrer, (Wed Jun 28, 2:44 pm)
[Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Dieter, (Thu Jun 29, 4:38 am)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics] , Dieter, (Thu Jun 29, 9:38 am)
Re: X-video-server (was: Re: [Open-graphics] single vs mul ..., Nicholas Sinnott-Arm ..., (Thu Jun 29, 1:51 pm)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], luc, (Thu Jun 29, 2:50 pm)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics] , Nicholas Sinnott-Arm ..., (Thu Jun 29, 7:25 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Lourens Veen, (Fri Jun 30, 12:51 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server , Dieter, (Fri Jun 30, 1:38 am)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics] , Dieter, (Fri Jun 30, 10:03 am)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], luc, (Fri Jun 30, 10:22 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, luc, (Fri Jun 30, 10:47 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Hamish, (Fri Jun 30, 11:10 am)
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Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], luc, (Fri Jun 30, 12:43 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Lourens Veen, (Fri Jun 30, 1:31 pm)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], Nicholas, (Fri Jun 30, 8:09 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server , Dieter, (Sat Jul 1, 1:22 am)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics] , Dieter, (Sat Jul 1, 2:37 am)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], luc, (Sat Jul 1, 4:33 am)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics] , Dieter, (Sat Jul 1, 11:18 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server , Dieter, (Sat Jul 1, 11:35 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server , Dieter, (Sat Jul 1, 1:08 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Lourens Veen, (Sat Jul 1, 1:56 pm)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], luc, (Sat Jul 1, 2:20 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, James Richard Tyrer, (Sat Jul 1, 4:22 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, James Richard Tyrer, (Sat Jul 1, 4:37 pm)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], James Richard Tyrer, (Sat Jul 1, 5:21 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, James Richard Tyrer, (Sat Jul 1, 10:02 pm)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics] , Dieter, (Sun Jul 2, 1:30 am)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], Hamish, (Sun Jul 2, 3:18 am)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], luc, (Sun Jul 2, 6:31 am)
[Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Dieter, (Sun Jul 2, 11:23 am)
[Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server , Dieter, (Sun Jul 2, 4:48 pm)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], James Richard Tyrer, (Sun Jul 2, 9:47 pm)
[Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Lourens Veen, (Sun Jul 2, 11:06 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server , Dieter, (Mon Jul 3, 1:55 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server , Dieter, (Mon Jul 3, 2:06 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Timothy Miller, (Mon Jul 3, 3:24 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Lourens Veen, (Mon Jul 3, 5:44 am)
[Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Lourens Veen, (Mon Jul 3, 5:53 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Timothy Miller, (Mon Jul 3, 6:13 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Timothy Miller, (Mon Jul 3, 6:15 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Nicholas, (Mon Jul 3, 6:56 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Hamish Marson, (Mon Jul 3, 7:41 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Timothy Miller, (Mon Jul 3, 10:25 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, luc, (Tue Jul 4, 11:04 am)