Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes (and some suggestions)

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From: Richard Smith
Date: Sunday, May 14, 2006 - 4:47 pm

> I have no problem with the idea of trying to cram a simple 2D design

How big and what features are in the video contoller?  I have what I
think is the above + a NIOS II and an I2C controller in a cheap
Altera.  (I think its an EPC2 but I'll have to look)  Like I said
earlier our "video controller" is basically a fifo and some logic that
writes the data into the DDR while not interrupting the frames clocked
out to the DVI chip.

We clock the NIOS at 66Mhz and using this I can throw up a 1024x768
image pretty fast.  You can see the redraw but its on par with a lot
of VESA screens I see.  I double buffer so its not much of an issue.
All the slowness is in the NIOS II.  If it was an 200Mhz ARM it would
be really fast.

Our "Host" interface is nothing more than about 10 32-bit registers
that show up in the NIOS IO space.  What kind of host interface were
you thinking?

How big is the XP6?

When doing high res video stuff >= 800x600 I think there may be an
opportunity for a simple video controller to go with the various
embedded cpus.  The sharp ARM and the XScale we have tested both fall
down at the higher video resolutions.  They use host memory for the
framebuffers so at the refresh of say 1024x768x60 large ammounts of
the memory bandwith is spent doing video.  And if you go off and make
the cpu do something invovled you can get glitches in your video
output.

What I don't know is how big the market for something like this really
is or if the next round of ARMs from various mfgs will fix the memory
bandwith problem.  Perhpas it only an issue with Sharp and XScale?  I
know that Atmel just released a newer ARM that claims 2048x2048 as its
max resolution.  I can't imagine that they use host memory for that
but maybe.

I do know that if I had such a chip and it was cheap (<=$10) it whould
have had a  _really_ good chance of ending up in our current display
product.

-- 
Richard A. Smith
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Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes. , Dieter, (Fri May 12, 12:26 pm)
[Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Ray Heasman, (Fri May 12, 12:57 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Vinicius Santos, (Fri May 12, 3:30 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Fri May 12, 4:28 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Fri May 12, 4:45 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Ray Heasman, (Fri May 12, 6:30 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Fri May 12, 8:11 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Jan Knutar, (Fri May 12, 9:02 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Peter Brett, (Sat May 13, 1:36 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Ray Heasman, (Sat May 13, 10:12 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Ray Heasman, (Sat May 13, 12:49 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Sat May 13, 1:06 pm)
RE: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Nicolas Capens, (Sat May 13, 1:29 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Sat May 13, 7:46 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Sat May 13, 8:03 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Sat May 13, 8:31 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Sat May 13, 8:46 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Ray Heasman, (Sat May 13, 10:29 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Ray Heasman, (Sun May 14, 12:13 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes (and some s ..., Richard Smith, (Sun May 14, 4:47 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Erik Hofman, (Mon May 15, 1:10 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes (and some s ..., Benjamin Herrenschmidt, (Mon May 15, 6:05 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Mon May 15, 6:59 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Mon May 15, 7:05 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Mon May 15, 7:15 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Rogelio Serrano, (Mon May 15, 7:25 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Mon May 15, 7:28 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Rogelio Serrano, (Mon May 15, 7:30 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Tue May 16, 9:27 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Jack Carroll, (Tue May 16, 9:34 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Jack Carroll, (Tue May 16, 9:45 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Sun May 21, 6:55 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Mon May 22, 4:39 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Jack Carroll, (Mon May 22, 8:46 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Hamish Marson, (Mon May 22, 9:41 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Hamish Marson, (Mon May 22, 9:49 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., szefirov@ot.ru, (Tue May 23, 1:26 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Hamish Marson, (Tue May 23, 5:26 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., szefirov@ot.ru, (Wed May 24, 2:01 am)
[Open-graphics] free/open as selling point, Dieter, (Wed May 24, 3:13 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Wed May 24, 4:50 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Wed May 24, 1:12 pm)
[Open-graphics] Re: The Emperor Has No Trade Secrets, Timothy Miller, (Wed May 24, 1:30 pm)
[Open-graphics] Re: The Emperor Has No Trade Secrets, Timothy Miller, (Wed May 24, 4:52 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: The Emperor Has No Trade Secrets, Timothy Miller, (Wed May 24, 4:54 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., josephhenryblack, (Wed May 24, 6:06 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: The Emperor Has No Trade Secrets, josephhenryblack, (Thu May 25, 3:07 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: The Emperor Has No Trade Secrets, Timothy Miller, (Thu May 25, 4:50 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: The Emperor Has No Trade Secrets, Timothy Miller, (Thu May 25, 11:50 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., James Richard Tyrer, (Mon Jun 19, 9:15 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Justin R Findlay, (Tue Jun 20, 1:07 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Raphaël Jacquot, (Tue Jun 20, 9:50 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., James Richard Tyrer, (Tue Jun 20, 10:37 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Tue Jun 20, 11:31 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Tue Jun 20, 11:57 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., James Richard Tyrer, (Tue Jun 20, 2:17 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Tue Jun 20, 2:27 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Jack Carroll, (Tue Jun 20, 4:40 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Jack Carroll, (Tue Jun 20, 4:44 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Tue Jun 20, 6:22 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Tue Jun 20, 10:04 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Raphael Jacquot, (Wed Jun 21, 12:47 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., howard parkin, (Wed Jun 21, 7:45 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., James Richard Tyrer, (Wed Jun 21, 9:11 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Thu Jun 22, 12:51 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Hamish Marson, (Thu Jun 22, 2:19 am)
[Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Dieter, (Thu Jun 22, 2:33 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Thu Jun 22, 4:12 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Thu Jun 22, 4:14 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Thu Jun 22, 4:18 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Thu Jun 22, 9:20 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Terry Hancock, (Thu Jun 22, 9:29 am)
[Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs, Dieter, (Thu Jun 22, 10:02 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Thu Jun 22, 11:02 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Hamish Marson, (Thu Jun 22, 11:04 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., James Richard Tyrer, (Thu Jun 22, 11:21 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Tim Schmidt, (Thu Jun 22, 11:52 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., Timothy Miller, (Thu Jun 22, 11:52 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., josephhenryblack, (Thu Jun 22, 12:31 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Tim Schmidt, (Fri Jun 23, 2:16 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs , Dieter, (Fri Jun 23, 2:24 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Jan Knutar, (Fri Jun 23, 2:30 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs, Hamish Marson, (Fri Jun 23, 2:35 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs , Dieter, (Fri Jun 23, 3:59 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs, Hamish, (Fri Jun 23, 11:05 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Timothy Miller, (Fri Jun 23, 1:22 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs, Timothy Miller, (Fri Jun 23, 1:24 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Lourens Veen, (Fri Jun 23, 1:33 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Hamish, (Fri Jun 23, 2:51 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Timothy Miller, (Fri Jun 23, 2:56 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Timothy Miller, (Fri Jun 23, 3:30 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Jack Carroll, (Fri Jun 23, 4:42 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Where to run the X server?, Hamish, (Fri Jun 23, 5:09 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., James Richard Tyrer, (Sat Jun 24, 9:51 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., James Richard Tyrer, (Sat Jun 24, 10:18 pm)
[Open-graphics] CPU for X server, Dieter, (Sun Jun 25, 12:19 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] The Emperor Has No Clothes., James Richard Tyrer, (Sun Jun 25, 3:16 am)
[Open-graphics] Re: CPU for X server, James Richard Tyrer, (Sun Jun 25, 1:16 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: CPU for X server , Dieter, (Mon Jun 26, 3:44 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: CPU for X server, Richard Smith, (Mon Jun 26, 8:35 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: CPU for X server, Timothy Miller, (Mon Jun 26, 11:54 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: CPU for X server, James Richard Tyrer, (Mon Jun 26, 12:22 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: CPU for X server, Hans Kristian Rosbach, (Tue Jun 27, 7:51 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs, James Richard Tyrer, (Tue Jun 27, 11:38 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs - intel vs amd ..., Hans Kristian Rosbach, (Wed Jun 28, 2:48 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs - intel vs amd ..., Hans Kristian Rosbach, (Wed Jun 28, 3:14 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs - intel vs amd ..., Hans Kristian Rosbach, (Wed Jun 28, 4:10 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] single vs multiple CPUs, James Richard Tyrer, (Wed Jun 28, 2:44 pm)
[Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Dieter, (Thu Jun 29, 4:38 am)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics] , Dieter, (Thu Jun 29, 9:38 am)
Re: X-video-server (was: Re: [Open-graphics] single vs mul ..., Nicholas Sinnott-Arm ..., (Thu Jun 29, 1:51 pm)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], luc, (Thu Jun 29, 2:50 pm)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics] , Nicholas Sinnott-Arm ..., (Thu Jun 29, 7:25 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Lourens Veen, (Fri Jun 30, 12:51 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server , Dieter, (Fri Jun 30, 1:38 am)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics] , Dieter, (Fri Jun 30, 10:03 am)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], luc, (Fri Jun 30, 10:22 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, luc, (Fri Jun 30, 10:47 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Hamish, (Fri Jun 30, 11:10 am)
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Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], luc, (Fri Jun 30, 12:43 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Lourens Veen, (Fri Jun 30, 1:31 pm)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], Nicholas, (Fri Jun 30, 8:09 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server , Dieter, (Sat Jul 1, 1:22 am)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics] , Dieter, (Sat Jul 1, 2:37 am)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], luc, (Sat Jul 1, 4:33 am)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics] , Dieter, (Sat Jul 1, 11:18 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server , Dieter, (Sat Jul 1, 11:35 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server , Dieter, (Sat Jul 1, 1:08 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Lourens Veen, (Sat Jul 1, 1:56 pm)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], luc, (Sat Jul 1, 2:20 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, James Richard Tyrer, (Sat Jul 1, 4:22 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, James Richard Tyrer, (Sat Jul 1, 4:37 pm)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], James Richard Tyrer, (Sat Jul 1, 5:21 pm)
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Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics] , Dieter, (Sun Jul 2, 1:30 am)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], Hamish, (Sun Jul 2, 3:18 am)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], luc, (Sun Jul 2, 6:31 am)
[Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Dieter, (Sun Jul 2, 11:23 am)
[Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server , Dieter, (Sun Jul 2, 4:48 pm)
Re: X-video-server [Open-graphics], James Richard Tyrer, (Sun Jul 2, 9:47 pm)
[Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Lourens Veen, (Sun Jul 2, 11:06 pm)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server , Dieter, (Mon Jul 3, 1:55 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server , Dieter, (Mon Jul 3, 2:06 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Timothy Miller, (Mon Jul 3, 3:24 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Lourens Veen, (Mon Jul 3, 5:44 am)
[Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Lourens Veen, (Mon Jul 3, 5:53 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Timothy Miller, (Mon Jul 3, 6:13 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Timothy Miller, (Mon Jul 3, 6:15 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Nicholas, (Mon Jul 3, 6:56 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Hamish Marson, (Mon Jul 3, 7:41 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, Timothy Miller, (Mon Jul 3, 10:25 am)
Re: [Open-graphics] Re: X-video-server, luc, (Tue Jul 4, 11:04 am)