Urgent Network Maintenance scheduled for 10/14/2007 (fwd)

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Date: Saturday, February 1, 2003 - 1:58 pm

The NetBSD project is pleased to welcome the following new developers:

* David Laight (dsl@netbsd.org), who will be working on miscellaneous tasks.
* Takeshi Nakayama (nakayama@netbsd.org), who will be working on kernel
debugging, the sparc, sparc64, i386 and hpcmips ports.
* Angelos Keromytis (angelos@netbsd.org), who will be working on
cryptography in NetBSD.
* Takayoshi Kochi (kochi@netbsd.org), who will be working on ACPI and
the i386 port.
* Naoto Shimazaki (igy@netbsd.org), who will be working on the evbarm
and evbmips ports.

Welcome aboard!

--
http://www.netbsd.org -
Multiarchitecture OS, no hype required.

To: <netbsd-announce@...>
Date: Monday, April 21, 2008 - 5:43 pm

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Announcing NetBSD and the Google "Summer of Code" Projects 2008

April 21, 2008 For the fourth consecutive year, the NetBSD Project is
proud to participate in Google's "Summer of Code" program as a mentoring
organization and is pleased to announce the list of projects that have
been accepted for this summer. As in previous years, the task of
selecting a limited number of projects from over 50 student applications
wasn't easy. With almost as many mentors signed up as student
applications, ranking was done based on a number of criteria such as a
students knowledge, interest and enthusiasm, the scope and detail of the
proposal, the likeliness of the project succeeding etc.

In the end, the following projects were selected, listed in alphabetical
order by the student's last name:

1. Project: Implement Ext3 file system support
Student: Rus-Rebreanu Alin-Florin
Mentor: Alistair Crooks

2. Project: Create an in-kernel API for "packet classes"
Student: Anish
Mentor: Herb Peyerl

3. Project: File system access utilities
Student: Ysmal Arnaud
Mentor: Antti Kantee

4. Project: wscons: Expansion for wstablet in NetBSD
Student: Jason W. Beaudoin
Mentor: Petra Zeidler

5. Project: Subfile Support for NetBSD
Student: Adam Burkepile
Mentor: Philip Nelson

6. Project: Hurd translators
Student: Marek Dopiera
Mentor: Aymeric Vincent

7. Project: Write and improve NetBSD LVM driver
Student: Adam Hamsik
Mentor: Brett Lymn

8. Project: Implementation of RFC4380 (Teredo) in NetBSD
Student: Arnaud Lacombe
Mentor: David Young

9. Project: Add support for UVC devices (USB web-cams)
Student: Patrick Mahoney
Mentor: Jared D. McNeill

10. Project: DVB drivers and kernel framework
Student: Jeremy Morse
Mentor: Jared D. McNeill

11. Project: pkgsrc: rewrite wr...

Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 - 1:27 pm

Hello,

As you may already know, the NetBSD Project has decided to upgrade
its aging CVS server machine in order to provide better service.

We have already purchased a new server that has a 2.4GHz xeon,
hardware raid, dual gigabit ethernet, 5 x 36GB drives, a PC-Weasel,
and 4GB of ram. It cost the project approximately $6K, so we are
soliciting donations to pay for it.

You can submit donations via http://www.paypal.com to paypal@netbsd.org,
or contact finance-exec@netbsd.org for an address to send a check to.

We thank you in advance for your support,

christos

For the NetBSD Foundation, Inc. Board of Directors

Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 - 8:17 pm

The Board of Directors of The NetBSD Foundation would like to thank
everyone who contributed time, money, and effort into providing the
new CVS server (ivanova.netbsd.org).

In particular, we'd like to thank:
* Wasabi Systems Inc., Middle Digital Inc., Andrew Brown,
Ed Richley, and Christos Zoulas for their generous donations.
* Thor Lancelot Simon and the administration team members for
specifying, configuring, and setting up the machine.
* Paul Vixie and Internet Systems Consortium, Inc. (ISC)
for hosting the new server.

For the technically inclined, the configuration is:
* 2400 MHz Pentium 4
* 4 GB Memory
* Adaptec ASR-2200S Raid controller
* 5 x 36 GB 10000 RPM SCSI drives
* PC Weasel PCI

The new CVS server has made CVS operations at least 10 times quicker,
and so NetBSD development has been immensely helped by this new server.

For more information about donations to The NetBSD Foundation:
http://www.NetBSD.org/donations/

--
Luke Mewburn <lukem@NetBSD.org>, on behalf of
The Board of Directors of The NetBSD Foundation <board@NetBSD.org>

Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 - 1:28 pm

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NetBSD Quarterly Status Report - 2004Q4

NetBSD is an actively developed operating system. With fifty four
different system architectures in total and binary support of over 48
architectures in our last official release (NetBSD 2.0), our widely
portable Packages Collection ``pkgsrc'' and large userbase there is a
lot going on within the project. In order to allow our users to
follow the most important changes over the last few months, we provide
a brief summary in these official status reports on a regular basis.
These status reports are suitable for reproduction and publication in
part or in whole as long as the source is clearly indicated.

- -Jan Schaumann <jschauma@NetBSD.org>

October - December 2004:

The last three months of 2004 were full of exciting developments
within the NetBSD Project. Not only did the new official NetBSD Logo
get announced (with all the hoopla and discussions about the choice
this bikeshed-prone topic solicits), but we also released the much
anticipated NetBSD 2.0 and the pkgsrc team created a new stable
branch, pkgsrc-2004Q4.

But the last quarter also brought some problems: the 2.0 release went
through several Release Candidates in October and November before the
final release was unfortunately held back by a hardware failure of the
main release engineering server. Together with the recent failure of
the anoncvs server this meant significant expenses for this volunteer
project. If you would like to help us out with a tax-deductible
donation, please contact <finance-exec@NetBSD.org>.

This and other news from the fourth quarter of 2004 within NetBSD in
details below:

Administrative:
- releng.NetBSD.org down [20041019]
- anoncvs down due to random memory corruption [20041223]
- New Developers [20050101]

Miscellaneous:
- EuroBSDCon [20041029]
- New Logo [20041030]
- NetBSD 2.0 released [20041209]
- NetBSD Live CD runs contest [20041119]

pkgsrc:
- New support...

To: <netbsd-announce@...>
Date: Sunday, October 14, 2007 - 9:23 am

Dear NetBSD Users,

ISC is NetBSD's main ISP for all our primary services, and they've dropped
us note that there's some limited outage to expect today:

``ISC will be performing urgent network maintenance on Sunday, October
14th starting at 1200 Pacific Time and is expected to last for up to
three hours. During this maintenance window, there will be period of
up to 30 minutes where we expect a serious network disruption across
ISC's SF Bay Area network as we replace a core router at one of our
locations. Your reachability to your systems here (or to your internet
connection) will be impacted.

[...]

Apologies for the short notice on such a disruptive maintenance, it is
something we wish to have avoided, even on a weekend, but at least the
new router will provide additional stability and growth as we (ISC)
expand our network backbone capacity. ;)''

Have a nice day!

- Hubert

Date: Friday, May 20, 2005 - 1:06 pm

The anonymous CVS server will be unavailable for much of tomorrow, May 21
2005, while we rework and simplify its configuration. Among other less
immediately obvious benefits we hope this will allow us to begin offering
anonymous CVS access over IPv6.

Sorry about the short notice -- this was supposed to happen earlier in the
week, with more notice, but other pressing matters repeatedly stole its
time, and we'd like to get it done this week; we begin to lose some of our
admin manpower as the summer academic sessions start up at most U.S.
universities over the next couple of weeks.

--
Thor Lancelot Simon tls@rek.tjls.com

"The inconsistency is startling, though admittedly, if consistency is to be
abandoned or transcended, there is no problem." - Noam Chomsky

Date: Wednesday, September 7, 2005 - 4:08 pm

On behalf of the NetBSD Release Engineering team, I'm happy to announce
that the release process for NetBSD 2.1 has begun. Those of you
paying close attention will notice that NetBSD 2.1 RC3 is available
in the "daily builds" section of your local FTP mirror (in the
/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-2-1-RC3 directory on most mirrors), and we
encourage you to test it out and report any major bugs using
send-pr(1). (For those interested in details, 2.1 RC1 and RC2 were
not announced publically because of build problems on some supported
platforms)=20

We expect to have RC4 available on FTP mirrors in about a week, and we
expect this to be the final release candidate - which means the final=20
release of 2.1 is approximately three weeks away if all goes well.
We appreciate your patience and support which we hope will make this
the best NetBSD release to date!


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NetBSD Security Advisory 2005-003
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Topic: F_CLOSEM local denial of service

Version: NetBSD-current: source prior to January 12, 2005
NetBSD 2.1: not affected
NetBSD 2.0.2: not affected
NetBSD 2.0: affected
NetBSD 1.6.*: not affected

Severity: Local Denial-of-Service

Fixed: NetBSD-current: January 12, 2005
NetBSD-2-0 branch: March 16, 2005
(2.0.2 includes the fix)
NetBSD-2 branch: March 16, 2005
(2.1 includes the fix)

Abstract
========

A bug in the way the file descriptor table of a process is manipulated
can be triggered by calling the F_CLOSEM fnctl() with the parameter 0,
which means "close all opened file descriptors".

The result of the bug is that the kernel will loop endlessly,
effectively locking up the computer.

Any local user can trigger the bug.

Technical Details
=================

The F_CLOSEM fnctl() call takes a parameter and makes the kernel close
all file descriptors of the process whose number is greater or equal to
the parameter.

fd_lastfile in the process's descriptor table keeps track of the last file
descriptor index used by the process, and its value is maintained by
find_last_set(). A change in find_last_set() that made it return 0 and not
- -1 (like it used to) when no files were used caused an infinite loop in
the kernel, leading to local denial-of-service triggerable by any user.

Solutions and Workarounds
=========================

There is no workaround for this issue. It is recommended that users of
affected NetBSD versions upgrade their kernel.

The following instructions describe how to upgrade your kernel by updating
your source tree and rebuilding and installing a new version of the
kernel.

* NetBSD-current:

Systems running NetBSD-current dated from before 2005-01-12
should be upgraded to NetBSD-current dated 2005-01-13 or later.

The following files need to be updated from the
netbs...

To: <netbsd-announce@...>
Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 - 5:36 pm

Announcing NetBSD 4.0.1

About the NetBSD 4.0.1 Release

The NetBSD Project is pleased to announce that update 4.0.1 of the
NetBSD operating system is now available. NetBSD 4.0.1 is the first
security/critical update of the NetBSD 4.0 release branch. This
represents a selected subset of fixes deemed critical in nature for
stability or security reasons, no new features have been added.

NetBSD 4.0.1 runs on 54 different system architectures featuring 17
machine architectures across 17 distinct CPU families, and is being
ported to more. The NetBSD 4.0.1 release contains complete binary
releases for 51 different machine types, with the platforms amigappc,
bebox and ews4800mips released in source form only. Complete source
and binaries for NetBSD 4.0.1 are available for download at many sites
around the world. A list of download sites providing FTP, AnonCVS,
SUP, and other services is provided at the end of this announcement;
the latest list of available download sites may also be found at
http://www.NetBSD.org/mirrors/. We encourage users who wish to install
via a CD-ROM ISO image to download via BitTorrent by using the torrent
files supplied in the ISO image area. A list of hashes for the NetBSD
4.0.1 distribution has been signed with the well-connected PGP key for
the NetBSD Security Officer:
ftp://ftp.NetBSD.org/pub/NetBSD/security/hashes/NetBSD-4.0.1_hashes.asc

Please note that all fixes in security/critical updates (i.e., NetBSD
4.0.1, 4.0.2, etc) are cumulative, so the latest update contains all
such fixes since the corresponding minor release. These fixes will
also appear in future minor releases (i.e., NetBSD 4.1, 4.2, etc),
together with other less-critical fixes and feature enhancements.

NetBSD is free. All of the code is under non-restrictive licenses, and
may be used without paying royalties to anyone. Free support services
are available via our mailing lists...

To: NetBSD Announcements <netbsd-announce@...>
Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 - 5:52 pm

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NetBSD Security Advisory 2009-012
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Topic: SHA2 implementation potential buffer overflow

Version: NetBSD-current: affected prior to 2009-05-26
NetBSD 5.0: affected
NetBSD 4.0.*: affected
NetBSD 4.0: affected

Severity: Denial of Service

Fixed: NetBSD-current: May 26, 2009
NetBSD-5-0 branch: Jul 11, 2009
NetBSD-5 branch: Jul 11, 2009
NetBSD-4-0 branch: Jul 22, 2009
NetBSD-4 branch: Jul 22, 2009

Please note that NetBSD releases prior to 4.0 are no longer supported.
It is recommended that all users upgrade to a supported release.

Abstract
========

An error initializing a SHA2 context causes vulnerable applications using
libcrypto to suffer from a 4- or 8-byte buffer overflow (for SHA256 and
SHA512 correspondingly) with fixed content, potentially causing
applications to crash.

Technical Details
=================

A program using the SHA2 implementation from sys/sha2.h in NetBSD and
linking against libcrypto is vulnerable to a 4- or 8-byte buffer
overflow (for SHA256 and SHA512 correspondingly) with fixed content.

The overflow occurs at the time the hash init function is called (e.g.
SHA256_Init). The init functions then pass the wrong size for the
context as an argument to the memset function which then overwrites
4 bytes of the memory buffer located after the one holding the context.

In the NetBSD base system, this affects the libssh library as well as
the pkg_install framework. In libssh, the overflow occurs on the heap
of the program using it, in pkg_install a stack overflow occurs.

Solutions and Workarounds
=========================

A workaround for this issue for programs in the NetBSD base system
is to disable SHA256 as a HMAC for the secure shell and to avoid
using the audit facility as well as signed packages.

To determine whether or not a package is signed, run the command

% tar tzf package.tgz

on the package. If the first ...

Date: Friday, March 31, 2006 - 6:43 am

The pkgsrc-2006Q1 Branch
========================

The pkgsrc developers are very proud to announce the new pkgsrc-2006Q1
branch, which has support for more packages than previous branches.
As well as updated versions of many packages, the infrastructure of
pkgsrc itself has been improved for better platform and compiler
support, and also for enhanced security.

At the same time, the pkgsrc-2005Q4 branch has been deprecated, and
continuing engineering starts on the pkgsrc-2006Q1 branch.

Some highlights of the new pkgsrc-2006Q1 branch are:

+ many, many packages have been updated to newer versions, to take
advantage of fixes and improved functionality. This includes

+ firefox-1.5.0.1
+ gnome-2.12.2
+ kde-3.5.1
+ opera-8.52
+ perl-5.8.7
+ postgresql 8.1.3
+ thunderbird-1.5
+ X.org 6.9
+ the addition of some pertinent bright, shiny packages such
as apache-tomcat-5.5.14, cdrtools, nagios, qt4, strace,
sunbird, and suse 10 packages better to support Linux
emulation.
+ a considerable number of fixes for much better DragonFly BSD
operation, which will also benefit a lot of pkgsrc platforms,
with thanks to Joerg Sonnenberger

The full list of platforms supported by pkgsrc is: AIX, BSD/OS,
Darwin (Mac OS X), DragonFly BSD, FreeBSD, IRIX, Interix, Linux, NetBSD,
OSF1, OpenBSD, SunOS (Solaris), and UnixWare. We would like to add
support for more - please get in touch if you, too, are interested.

+ following DragonFly BSD's adoption of pkgsrc as their packaging
system, Joerg Sonnenberger has made a lot of changes, which include a
number of modifications for packages which use POSIX threading
libraries, and also enhanced support for gcc 3.4 and above

+ a number of changes in pkgsrc's infrastructure have been introduced,
including improvements in the PLIST handling, the ongoing work to
validate PLISTs automatically, especially during bulk builds, and the
improvements in the pkginstall framework, most noticably
font-handling.

+ continuing engi...

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Hello,

This is a reminder that the Google Summer of Code 2006 has now
officially opened up and students' applications are accepted. The
NetBSD Project is proud to be a participating mentoring organization
once again and has compiled a list of possible projects at
http://www.NetBSD.org/contrib/projects.html. This website has been
updated frequently in the last couple of days, but it remains
non-exhaustive.

If you are interested in applying for one of these projects -- or if you
have an idea for another project altogether -- please take your time to
discuss your idea with the NetBSD community on the relevant mailing
list. Remember, applications are *not* accepted on a first-come,
first-serve basis, so the more feedback you get on your project
proposal, the better your application will be, increasing your chances
of being accepted!

When you do prepare your application, please take a look at
http://www.NetBSD.org/contrib/soc-application.html, where we have listed
a few of the q...


Changes to the NetBSD Packages Collection in April 2002.
========================================================

[For a full list of changes, please consult the tech-pkg@netbsd.org
mailing list - agc]

By my calculations, there were 2808 packages in the Packages
Collection at the end of April, up 79 from 2729 at the end of March.

Matthias added some new SuSE 7.3 Linux emulation packages, and these
work much better in -current with the old SuSE 6.4 packages, which have
been retained for those of us not running -current. Thanks, Matthias.

Notable additions to the Packages Collection include: ald, ap-gzip,
autoconf-devel, bbsload, bonobo-activation, ccache, ce,
createbuildlink (good try, Rene, but airportbasestationconfig is still
the best package name so far) crimson, cwtext, dgd, emacs21, ettercap,
gmplayer, gnome-mime-types, id3v2, jam, jasmin, kdeaddons, libIDL,
libmcrypt, libtar, linc, locatorm magic, mozilla-fonts (thanks,
Thomas), mp3asm, musicbrainz, nttcp, onyx, opera-plugins, ORBit2,
various perl5 modules, some python binsdings and documentation, some R
plugins (thanks, Mark), rewind, rox, snort-pgsql, TeXmacs, tk-Tix,
ttftot42, ve, wwl, xanalyser, xmftp, xnap, xrmftp.

Notable updates include: abiword-personal (this has become very
useful for me - thanks, Martti), adzap, some apache modules, apache2,
aribas, arla, audit-packages, cpuflags, curl, dap, esound, ethereal,
fetchmail (thanks, Thorsten), fileutilsm flac, fluxbox, fvwm2, galeon,
gcc-sspm gkrellm-snmp, gmp, gnumeric, graphviz, grpn, grub, gtk2,
gtkballs, gtm, htmlfix, hugs, if-psprint, ipa, ipv6calc, ircII,
isakmpd, jakarta-ant, jasper, jdbc-postgresql, keychain, kth-krb4,
lftp, libIDL, libmpeg3, libxml2m linc, lsof, lyx, mozilla, mtv, neon,
netsaint, nsd, openssh, opera6, ORBit and ORBit2, various perl5
modules, pchar, pim6dd, pim6sd, pkgchk, pkgdiff, pkglint, popa3d,
postfix, postgresql and related packages, python 2.1 and 2.2, R,
racoon, rconfig, scrollkeeper, sdig, skill, skipstone, snort, spim,
teapop...


Summary of Changes to the NetBSD Packages Collection in May 2002
================================================================

[Apologies once again for the lateness of this mail. For a full list
of changes, please refer to the current-users mailing list. - agc]

92 packages were added in May, whilst 2 were removed, which by my
estimates, mean that there were 2898 packages in the packages
collection at the end of May, there being 2808 at the end of April.

The main change is the addition of the kde3 packages, with many thanks
to Nick Hudson for his excellent work. Also notable are some the changes
that Amitai Schlair has made better to support Darwin.

Notable additions include: upclient, acidlaunch, algae, a development
meta-package for Amanda, arts, cg, cilk, conserver, cxunzip, dbz-ttf,
diction, dlcompat for Darwin (thanks, Amitai), dvipdfm, efax-gtk,
elinks, emacs21-nox11, epic4-doc, euler, fam, ftpproxy, fxtv-capture,
GConf2, generator, gimp-print-cups, gnet, gri, htmldoc, http_load,
imapfilter, intltool, jini, joos, kde3 and related packages,
lambdamoo, lbreakout2, leim, libart2, libirman, lmme, lpairs, ltris,
mailsync, marbles, mencoder, mkfontalias, mkfontscale, molden,
mpegaudio, mpeg123-nas, mplayer-share (thanks, Bernd), nullmailer,
oggasm, oto, p11, p5-Font-TTF, projclock, qiv, rioutil, rootprobe,
some rox utilities, sather (thanks, Jason), solid-pop3d, spiralsynth,
sun-jdk14 and sun-jre14 (thanks, Jan), text2rtf, w3m-img, xchrono,
xmms-mad, xrick, yrolo, and zile.

Notable updates include: adzap, analog, bind 8 and 9, bochs, bonobo
components, bwbasic, ccache, cdpack, chemtool, claraocr,
createbuildlink, disc-cover, ekg, esound, etach, etcupdate, fxtv,
gaim, galeon, gauche, gdk-pixbuf and gdk-pixbuf-gnome, geda utils,
gerbv, some gimp plugins and drivers, gkrellm, glib, glib2, gmplayer,
gnetlist, gnome-games, gnu-go, gnupg, gqmpeg, grpn, gschem, gsl,
gsymcheck, guppi, gwave, hdf, htmldoc, icecast, irssi, isearch, jam,
jwhois, lame, latex2html, lftp libdvdread,...

To: <netbsd-announce@...>
Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009 - 2:56 am

In keeping with NetBSD's policy of supporting only the current (5.x) and
next most recent (4.x) release branches, the release of 5.0 marks the end
of life for the 3.x branches. We have provided an extra month of support
for 3.x in order to give people time to migrate their machines to a newer
release, and this one month period will be part of our support policy in
the future.

The following branches will no longer be maintained:
netbsd-3-0
netbsd-3-1
netbsd-3

This means:
- There will be no more pullups to the branches (even for security issues)
- There will be no security advisories made for any of the 3.x releases
- The existing 3.x releases on ftp.NetBSD.org will be moved into
/pub/NetBSD-archive/

Soren


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NetBSD Security Advisory 2006-023
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Topic: OpenSSL RSA Signature Forgery

Version: NetBSD-current: source prior to September 06, 2006
NetBSD 4.0_BETA: affected
NetBSD 3.1_RC3: not affected
NetBSD 3.0.*: affected
NetBSD 3.0: affected
NetBSD 2.1: affected
NetBSD 2.0.*: affected
NetBSD 2.0: affected
pkgsrc: openssl-0.9.7inb1 and earlier

Severity: Forgery of RSA certificates

Fixed: NetBSD-current: September 06, 2006
NetBSD-4 branch: September 08, 2006
(4.0 will include the fix)
NetBSD-3-0 branch: September 08, 2006
(3.0.2 will include the fix)
NetBSD-3 branch: September 08, 2006
(3.1 will include the fix)
NetBSD-2-1 branch: September 08, 2006
NetBSD-2-0 branch: September 08, 2006
NetBSD-2 branch: September 08, 2006
pkgsrc: openssl-0.9.7inb2 corrects the issue

Abstract
========

OpenSSL contains a vulnerability in the validation of PKCS #1 v1.5
signatures. If a certificate signed by an RSA key with a public
exponent of 3 is used it may be possible for an attacker to present an
alternate certificate with forged PKCS #1 v1.5 signature which OpenSSL
would also report as valid.

This vulnerability has been assigned CVE reference CVE-2006-4339.

Technical Details
=================

When verifying a PKCS#1 v1.5 signature OpenSSL was not checking for
excess data at the end of the signed hash. By carefully choosing
additional data after the hash, an attacker could construct an
alternate certificate with arbitrary contents that would be validated
as correctly signed.

Details of the attack are discussed in the following post by Hal
Finney to the cryptography mailing list:

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=cryptography&m=115694833312008

In addition to OpenSSL, a number of other cryptographic library
implementations suffered from similar vulnerabilities. These include
those in the Opera and Mozilla family of web bro...

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