Hi all. Incorporating the MadWifi project as non-profit entity is on our to-do-list since months, and I really would like to see it happen soon now. There were some private discussions about this in the past, but each time we started to think about that step one event or the other side-tracked the team. So let's try again, and this time with a public discussion to get opinions on that topic from the community, too. Motivation ========== Main motivation for setting up a non-profit organisation is to be able to handle monetary donations from users in a clean way. So far, we are a bunch of interested and only loosely organised developers working on the driver. Legally there is no "the project", so it's not possible to set up a bank account for "the project". Accepting monetary donations would require at least one developer to munge a private bank account with funds received for the project. As this just calls for trouble we once decided against doing it this way. On the other hand we see a rising amount of users asking how they can donate money to support the ongoing development of MadWifi and ath5k. The money could be used for covering costs for our server, for setting up a small testbed installation, for providing developers with Atheros-based cards, and so on. Ways to incorporate as non-profit ================================= We basically have two options to incorporate: 1. Found our own "stand-alone" non-profit. 2. Join a non-profit umbrella such as the SFC [1] or the SPI [2].for us. We are developers, and none of us seems to be keen on diving into more administrative work than we already have. This leaves us with option 2. The idea of a non-profit umbrella is to provide interested projects an easy way to incorporate while keeping most of the administrative tasks off of them. The umbrella is a non-profit entity itself, providing the benefits of "being incorporated" to its members. Members don't need to take care of the paperwork or fiscal reports, developers gain protection from personal liability, and so on. A good overview on the benefits is given on the pages of the SFC (tab "overview", section "What are the benefits of joining the Conservancy?"). As far as I know, SFC and SPI are the only non-profit umbrellas that exist for open-source projects - or at least these are the two "famous" ones. Following to the SFLC website, the "Software Freedom Conservancy" (SFC) has been started in April 2006 as one of five primary areas of the SFLC. Many of the names known from the SFLC (for example Eben Moglen, Brian Kuhn, Karen Sandler) appear in the SFC records, too, but as far as I understand the SFC is a somewhat separate entity. In other words: one can be member of the SFC without requiring to be a client of the SFLC and vice versa. Member projects currently are: BusyBox, Inkscape, Libbraille, Mercurial, SurveyOS, Samba, uCLibc, Wine. "Software in the Public Interest" (SPI), on the other hand, has been started in 1997 as an independant non-profit entity. However there are several affiliations with other non-profits in different countries (Canada, Germany, Italy) that allow better handling of donations (more about that below). Member projects currently are: Debian, Drupal, Freesco, freedesktop.org, Gallery, GNUstep, GNU TeXmacs, OFTC, OpenOffice.org, OpenVAS, Open Voting Foundation, PostgreSQL, wxWidgets. Comparison: SFC vs. SPI ======================== Both umrellas basically provide the same services: * being a non-profit while keeping the administrative overhead as low as possible * help and support for remaining administrative tasks * tax-deductible donations for donors in some countries * handling of funds, assets, copyright and trademarks on behalf of the member * pro bono legal councelling (to a certain, limited amount) However, there are some details that could be seen as their "unique selling point". Maybe the most important advantage that from my point of view speaks for the SFC is the close relation to the SFLC. The SFLC has done a lot of work during the past months to provide legal counsel and spend advise to the general Linux wireless efforts as well as specifically MadWifi/ath5k (some examples: [4], [5], [6]), and they did a great job with that. As we could see during the past months, having a strong legal advisor as backing seems to be a good idea especially when it comes to ath5k. This close relation between SFC and SFLC could turn out as a negative point, too. Key persons of the SFLC have a job in the SFC; in situations similar to these of the past weeks where the SFLC was busy with auditing the ath5k source thoroughly SFC-related tasks probably get noteably delayed. This is just an assumption, however. A big plus for the SPI is its affiliation with several other non-profits, allowing tax-deductible donations for other countries than just the US. Particularly the option to receive tax-deductible donations from european donors could come in handy for us and might encourage more companies (especially vendors that sell Atheros-based equipment) and users to donate to the project. Donations are important for us since we need hardware for the reverse engineering work, for example. There are other differences, too, some of them have been pointed out in a discussion [7] I've started on the spi-general mailing list. Yes, I know that the guys there are a bit biased towards the SPI ;) Let's start the discussion ========================== I currently tend to vote for incorporating as non-profit by joining the SPI, and at the same time join the SFLC as client. That way we had the benefits of both options. The work of the SFLC then should be supported by assigning a share (for example 15%, just to give a number) of the donations we receive. Now it's your turn, please contribute to the discussion. What is your opinion on the stuff above, which option do you prefer? Do you know of other options to incorporate as non-profit? Do you have good or bad experiences with either of the mentioned umbrellas? Please let us know what you think, every comment is highly appreciated. Links: ====== [1] http://conservancy.softwarefreedom.org [2] http://spi-inc.org [3] http://softwarefreedom.org [4] http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2007/jul/06/sdr-paper/ [5] http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2007/jul/31/openhal/ [6] http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2007/sep/27/wireless-review/ [7] http://lists.spi-inc.org/pipermail/spi-general/2007-September/002413.html Bye, Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. 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