Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus

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From: Avi Kivity
Date: Friday, April 3, 2009 - 5:15 am

Gregory Haskins wrote:

Your work is a whole stack.  Let's look at the constituents.

- a new virtual bus for enumerating devices.

Sorry, I still don't see the point.  It will just make writing drivers 
more difficult.  The only advantage I've heard from you is that it gets 
rid of the gunk.  Well, we still have to support the gunk for non-pv 
devices so the gunk is basically free.  The clean version is expensive 
since we need to port it to all guests and implement exciting features 
like hotplug.

- finer-grained point-to-point communication abstractions

Where virtio has ring+signalling together, you layer the two.  For 
networking, it doesn't matter.  For other applications, it may be 
helpful, perhaps you have something in mind.

- your "bidirectional napi" model for the network device

virtio implements exactly the same thing, except for the case of tx 
mitigation, due to my (perhaps pig-headed) rejection of doing things in 
a separate thread, and due to the total lack of sane APIs for packet 
traffic.

- a kernel implementation of the host networking device

Given the continuous rejection (or rather, their continuous 
non-adoption-and-implementation) of my ideas re zerocopy networking aio, 
that seems like a pragmatic approach.  I wish it were otherwise.

- a promise of more wonderful things yet to come

Obviously I can't evaluate this.

Did I miss anything?

Right now my preferred course of action is to implement a prototype 
userspace notification for networking.  Second choice is to move the 
host virtio implementation into the kernel.  I simply don't see how the 
rest of the stack is cost effective.

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[RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Tue Mar 31, 11:42 am)
[RFC PATCH 01/17] shm-signal: shared-memory signals, Gregory Haskins, (Tue Mar 31, 11:42 am)
[RFC PATCH 02/17] vbus: add virtual-bus definitions, Gregory Haskins, (Tue Mar 31, 11:42 am)
[RFC PATCH 04/17] vbus: add bus-registration notifiers, Gregory Haskins, (Tue Mar 31, 11:43 am)
[RFC PATCH 07/17] ioq: add vbus helpers, Gregory Haskins, (Tue Mar 31, 11:43 am)
[RFC PATCH 09/17] net: Add vbus_enet driver, Gregory Haskins, (Tue Mar 31, 11:43 am)
[RFC PATCH 11/17] venet: add scatter-gather support, Gregory Haskins, (Tue Mar 31, 11:43 am)
[RFC PATCH 12/17] venettap: add scatter-gather support, Gregory Haskins, (Tue Mar 31, 11:43 am)
[RFC PATCH 14/17] kvm: add a reset capability, Gregory Haskins, (Tue Mar 31, 11:44 am)
[RFC PATCH 15/17] kvm: add dynamic IRQ support, Gregory Haskins, (Tue Mar 31, 11:44 am)
[RFC PATCH 16/17] kvm: Add VBUS support to the host, Gregory Haskins, (Tue Mar 31, 11:44 am)
[RFC PATCH 17/17] kvm: Add guest-side support for VBUS, Gregory Haskins, (Tue Mar 31, 11:44 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 15/17] kvm: add dynamic IRQ support, Avi Kivity, (Tue Mar 31, 12:20 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 14/17] kvm: add a reset capability, Avi Kivity, (Tue Mar 31, 12:22 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 15/17] kvm: add dynamic IRQ support, Gregory Haskins, (Tue Mar 31, 12:39 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 14/17] kvm: add a reset capability, Gregory Haskins, (Tue Mar 31, 1:02 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 15/17] kvm: add dynamic IRQ support, Avi Kivity, (Tue Mar 31, 1:13 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 14/17] kvm: add a reset capability, Avi Kivity, (Tue Mar 31, 1:18 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Andi Kleen, (Tue Mar 31, 1:18 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 15/17] kvm: add dynamic IRQ support, Gregory Haskins, (Tue Mar 31, 1:32 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 14/17] kvm: add a reset capability, Gregory Haskins, (Tue Mar 31, 1:37 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 09/17] net: Add vbus_enet driver, Stephen Hemminger, (Tue Mar 31, 1:39 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 01/17] shm-signal: shared-memory signals, Gregory Haskins, (Tue Mar 31, 1:58 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 15/17] kvm: add dynamic IRQ support, Avi Kivity, (Tue Mar 31, 1:59 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Rusty Russell, (Tue Mar 31, 11:08 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Wed Apr 1, 4:35 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Wed Apr 1, 5:03 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 01/17] shm-signal: shared-memory signals, Gregory Haskins, (Wed Apr 1, 5:12 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Andi Kleen, (Wed Apr 1, 6:23 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 01/17] shm-signal: shared-memory signals, Gregory Haskins, (Wed Apr 1, 6:57 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Wed Apr 1, 7:19 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Wed Apr 1, 7:42 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Anthony Liguori, (Wed Apr 1, 9:10 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Andi Kleen, (Wed Apr 1, 10:01 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Anthony Liguori, (Wed Apr 1, 11:45 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Wed Apr 1, 1:29 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Chris Wright, (Wed Apr 1, 1:40 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Wed Apr 1, 2:09 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Andi Kleen, (Wed Apr 1, 3:23 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Wed Apr 1, 4:05 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Anthony Liguori, (Wed Apr 1, 5:29 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Rusty Russell, (Wed Apr 1, 6:24 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Wed Apr 1, 7:27 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Herbert Xu, (Wed Apr 1, 8:09 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Wed Apr 1, 8:11 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Herbert Xu, (Wed Apr 1, 8:11 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Herbert Xu, (Wed Apr 1, 8:15 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Wed Apr 1, 11:46 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Wed Apr 1, 11:51 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Herbert Xu, (Thu Apr 2, 1:52 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Herbert Xu, (Thu Apr 2, 1:54 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Thu Apr 2, 2:02 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Thu Apr 2, 2:03 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Herbert Xu, (Thu Apr 2, 2:05 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Herbert Xu, (Thu Apr 2, 2:16 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Thu Apr 2, 2:27 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Herbert Xu, (Thu Apr 2, 2:29 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Herbert Xu, (Thu Apr 2, 2:33 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Thu Apr 2, 2:38 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Herbert Xu, (Thu Apr 2, 2:41 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Thu Apr 2, 2:43 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Herbert Xu, (Thu Apr 2, 2:44 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Thu Apr 2, 3:46 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Thu Apr 2, 3:55 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Thu Apr 2, 4:06 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Thu Apr 2, 4:43 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 09/17] net: Add vbus_enet driver, Gregory Haskins, (Thu Apr 2, 4:43 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Thu Apr 2, 4:48 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Thu Apr 2, 4:59 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Rusty Russell, (Thu Apr 2, 5:13 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Thu Apr 2, 5:22 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Thu Apr 2, 5:30 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Thu Apr 2, 5:42 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Thu Apr 2, 5:43 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Thu Apr 2, 5:50 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Thu Apr 2, 5:52 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Thu Apr 2, 5:54 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Thu Apr 2, 6:03 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Thu Apr 2, 6:07 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Thu Apr 2, 6:08 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Thu Apr 2, 6:22 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Thu Apr 2, 6:27 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Thu Apr 2, 6:36 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Thu Apr 2, 6:45 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Thu Apr 2, 7:05 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Thu Apr 2, 7:24 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Thu Apr 2, 7:32 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Thu Apr 2, 7:41 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Anthony Liguori, (Thu Apr 2, 7:49 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Herbert Xu, (Thu Apr 2, 7:50 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Thu Apr 2, 8:00 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Michael S. Tsirkin, (Thu Apr 2, 8:10 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Herbert Xu, (Thu Apr 2, 8:40 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Thu Apr 2, 8:57 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 02/17] vbus: add virtual-bus definitions, Ben Hutchings, (Thu Apr 2, 9:06 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Anthony Liguori, (Thu Apr 2, 9:09 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Herbert Xu, (Thu Apr 2, 9:09 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Thu Apr 2, 9:19 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Thu Apr 2, 9:54 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Herbert Xu, (Thu Apr 2, 10:06 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Herbert Xu, (Thu Apr 2, 10:17 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 02/17] vbus: add virtual-bus definitions, Gregory Haskins, (Thu Apr 2, 11:13 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Anthony Liguori, (Thu Apr 2, 11:18 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Herbert Xu, (Thu Apr 2, 6:11 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Thu Apr 2, 9:43 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gerd Hoffmann, (Fri Apr 3, 3:58 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Fri Apr 3, 4:03 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Herbert Xu, (Fri Apr 3, 4:12 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Andi Kleen, (Fri Apr 3, 4:18 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Fri Apr 3, 4:28 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Herbert Xu, (Fri Apr 3, 4:34 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Fri Apr 3, 4:46 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Fri Apr 3, 4:46 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Herbert Xu, (Fri Apr 3, 4:48 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Fri Apr 3, 4:54 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Herbert Xu, (Fri Apr 3, 4:55 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Fri Apr 3, 5:02 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Fri Apr 3, 5:03 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Fri Apr 3, 5:15 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Fri Apr 3, 5:25 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Herbert Xu, (Fri Apr 3, 6:05 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Fri Apr 3, 6:13 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Fri Apr 3, 6:37 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Gregory Haskins, (Fri Apr 3, 9:28 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Rusty Russell, (Sat Apr 4, 8:44 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Sun Apr 5, 1:06 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Sun Apr 5, 3:00 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Anthony Liguori, (Sun Apr 5, 7:13 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Avi Kivity, (Sun Apr 5, 9:10 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Anthony Liguori, (Sun Apr 5, 9:45 am)
Re: [kvm] Re: [RFC PATCH 00/17] virtual-bus, Alex Williamson, (Mon Apr 20, 11:02 am)