Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning

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From: David Miller
Date: Monday, September 8, 2008 - 10:17 pm

From: Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 01:10:05 -0400


Let's be frank and be honest that we're talking about message passing
financial service applications.

And I specifically know that the problem they run into is that the
congestion window doesn't open up because of Nagle _AND_ the fact that
congestion control is done using packet counts rather that data byte
totals.  So if you send lots of small stuff, the window doesn't open.
Nagle just makes this problem worse, rather than create it.

And we have a workaround for them, which is a combination of the
tcp_slow_start_after_idle sysctl in combination with route metrics
specifying the initial congestion window value to use.

I specifically added that sysctl for this specific situation.

Really, the situation here is well established and I highly encourage
you to take a deeper look into the actual problems being hit, and show
us some specific traces we can analyze properly if the problem is still
there.

Otherwise we're just shooting into the wind without any specifics to
work on whatsoever.
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Messages in current thread:
RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Christopher Snook, (Mon Sep 8, 2:56 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Rick Jones, (Mon Sep 8, 3:39 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Andi Kleen, (Mon Sep 8, 3:55 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Chris Snook, (Mon Sep 8, 10:10 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, David Miller, (Mon Sep 8, 10:17 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Chris Snook, (Mon Sep 8, 10:22 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Chris Snook, (Mon Sep 8, 10:56 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, David Miller, (Mon Sep 8, 11:02 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Evgeniy Polyakov, (Mon Sep 8, 11:22 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Chris Snook, (Mon Sep 8, 11:28 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Mark Brown, (Tue Sep 9, 3:31 am)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, David Miller, (Tue Sep 9, 5:05 am)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Mark Brown, (Tue Sep 9, 5:09 am)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, David Miller, (Tue Sep 9, 5:19 am)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo, (Tue Sep 9, 6:00 am)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Andi Kleen, (Tue Sep 9, 7:36 am)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Rick Jones, (Tue Sep 9, 9:33 am)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Chuck Lever, (Tue Sep 9, 9:54 am)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo, (Tue Sep 9, 10:21 am)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Rick Jones, (Tue Sep 9, 10:54 am)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Chris Snook, (Tue Sep 9, 11:40 am)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Andi Kleen, (Tue Sep 9, 12:07 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo, (Tue Sep 9, 12:21 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, David Miller, (Tue Sep 9, 12:59 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Chris Snook, (Tue Sep 9, 1:25 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Chris Snook, (Wed Sep 10, 9:08 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, David Miller, (Mon Sep 22, 3:49 am)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, David Miller, (Mon Sep 22, 4:09 am)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Andi Kleen, (Mon Sep 22, 1:30 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Chris Snook, (Mon Sep 22, 3:22 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, David Miller, (Mon Sep 22, 3:26 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Rick Jones, (Mon Sep 22, 3:47 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Chris Snook, (Mon Sep 22, 3:57 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Chris Snook, (Mon Sep 22, 4:00 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, David Miller, (Mon Sep 22, 4:13 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, David Miller, (Mon Sep 22, 4:21 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Andi Kleen, (Mon Sep 22, 4:24 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Andi Kleen, (Mon Sep 22, 5:14 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Rick Jones, (Mon Sep 22, 5:33 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, David Miller, (Mon Sep 22, 6:40 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Andi Kleen, (Mon Sep 22, 7:12 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Andi Kleen, (Mon Sep 22, 7:23 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, David Miller, (Mon Sep 22, 7:28 pm)
Re: RFC: Nagle latency tuning, Andi Kleen, (Mon Sep 22, 7:41 pm)