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Re: RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question

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To: Wenji Wu <wenji@...>
Cc: Ilpo Järvinen <ilpo.jarvinen@...>, Sangtae Ha <sangtae.ha@...>, Netdev <netdev@...>
Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 - 11:57 am

On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 5:33 AM, Wenji Wu <wenji@fnal.gov> wrote:

I remember several years ago when I first looked at chronic reordering
with a high BDP, the problem I had was that:
1) Only acks of new data can advance cwnd, and these only advance by
the normal amount per ack, so cwnd grows very slowly.
2) Reordering caused slow start to exit early, before the reordering
threshold had adapted
3) The "undo" code didn't work well because of cwnd moderation
4) There were bugs in the reordering calculation that caused the
threshold to be pulled back

Some of these shouldn't matter to you because your rtt is low, but I
thought i would be worth mentioning.  I'm not sure what is keeping
your cwnd from growing -- it always seems to be within a small range
in both cases, which is not right unless there's a bottleneck at the
sender.  The fact reno does a little better than sack seems like the
less important problem.

Also, what's the behavior when turning off reordering, in each or both
directions?

  -John
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Messages in current thread:
A Linux TCP SACK Question, Wenji Wu, (Fri Apr 4, 12:54 am)
Re: A Linux TCP SACK Question, John Heffner, (Fri Apr 4, 12:27 pm)
RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Wenji Wu, (Fri Apr 4, 1:49 pm)
RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Ilpo Järvinen, (Fri Apr 4, 4:00 pm)
RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Wenji Wu, (Fri Apr 4, 5:15 pm)
RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Ilpo Järvinen, (Fri Apr 4, 5:33 pm)
Re: RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Wenji Wu, (Fri Apr 4, 5:40 pm)
RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Ilpo Järvinen, (Fri Apr 4, 5:39 pm)
RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Wenji Wu, (Fri Apr 4, 6:14 pm)
Re: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Sangtae Ha, (Sat Apr 5, 5:17 pm)
Re: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Wenji Wu, (Sun Apr 6, 4:27 pm)
Re: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Sangtae Ha, (Sun Apr 6, 6:43 pm)
RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Wenji Wu, (Mon Apr 7, 10:56 am)
RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Ilpo Järvinen, (Tue Apr 8, 2:36 am)
RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Wenji Wu, (Mon Apr 14, 12:10 pm)
RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Ilpo Järvinen, (Mon Apr 14, 12:48 pm)
Re: RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Wenji Wu, (Mon Apr 14, 6:07 pm)
Re: RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Ilpo Järvinen, (Tue Apr 15, 4:23 am)
Re: A Linux TCP SACK Question, John Heffner, (Tue Apr 8, 10:07 am)
Re: RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Wenji Wu, (Tue Apr 8, 8:33 am)
Re: RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, John Heffner, (Tue Apr 8, 11:57 am)
Re: RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Ilpo Järvinen, (Tue Apr 8, 9:45 am)
Re: RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Wenji Wu, (Tue Apr 8, 10:30 am)
Re: RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Ilpo Järvinen, (Tue Apr 8, 10:59 am)
RE: RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Wenji Wu, (Mon Apr 14, 6:47 pm)
Re: RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, John Heffner, (Mon Apr 14, 8:48 pm)
Re: RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Wenji Wu, (Tue Apr 15, 12:39 pm)
Re: RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, John Heffner, (Tue Apr 15, 1:01 pm)
RE: RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Wenji Wu, (Tue Apr 15, 1:55 pm)
Re: RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Ilpo Järvinen, (Tue Apr 15, 1:08 pm)
Re: RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, John Heffner, (Tue Apr 15, 1:23 pm)
Re: RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Matt Mathis, (Tue Apr 15, 2:00 pm)
Re: RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Wenji Wu, (Tue Apr 15, 11:45 am)
Re: RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Ilpo Järvinen, (Tue Apr 15, 4:25 am)
Re: RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Wenji Wu, (Tue Apr 15, 2:01 pm)
Re: RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, John Heffner, (Tue Apr 15, 6:40 pm)
RE: RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Wenji Wu, (Wed Apr 16, 10:46 am)
Re: A Linux TCP SACK Question, David Miller, (Wed Apr 16, 4:27 am)
Re: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Ilpo Järvinen, (Wed Apr 16, 5:21 am)
Re: A Linux TCP SACK Question, John Heffner, (Wed Apr 16, 10:40 am)
Re: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Ilpo Järvinen, (Wed Apr 16, 11:03 am)
Re: A Linux TCP SACK Question, David Miller, (Wed Apr 16, 5:35 am)
RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Wenji Wu, (Wed Apr 16, 10:50 am)
Re: A Linux TCP SACK Question, David Miller, (Fri Apr 18, 2:52 am)
Re: RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Wenji Wu, (Tue Apr 8, 11:27 am)
Re: RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Ilpo Järvinen, (Tue Apr 8, 1:26 pm)
RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Ilpo Järvinen, (Sat Apr 5, 1:42 pm)
Re: RE: A Linux TCP SACK Question, Wenji Wu, (Fri Apr 4, 4:07 pm)
Re: A Linux TCP SACK Question, John Heffner, (Fri Apr 4, 2:07 pm)
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