On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:15:38AM -0700, Hugh Dickins wrote:
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> However, I am still not quite sure that we can already make that
> change for 2.6.35 (-stable).  Can you reassure me on the question I
> raise above: if we issue a discard to a device with cache, wait for
> "completion", then issue a write into the area spanned by that
> discard, can we be certain that the write to backing store will not be
> reordered before the discard of backing store (unless the device is
> just broken)?  Without a  REQ_HARDBARRIER in the 2.6.35 scheme?  It
> seems a very reasonable assumption to me, but I'm learning not to
> depend upon reasonable assumptions here.  (By the way, it doesn't
> matter at all whether writes not spanned by the discard pass it or
> not.)

Neither the SCSI (SPC and SBC) make the cache part of the protocol
except for the commands to commit them to non-volatile storage, so
even when reordering the backing device write it must still not
reorder them vs notified completion.  That's nothing specific to
discard, e.g. when a write was notified as complete a new read must
come from the cache even if it hasn't been commited to the backing
device.  Now I can't guarantee that all cheap SSD firmware
implementations gets thus right for TRIM, but if one is really
that buggy we need to blacklist it.
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