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From: Felipe Contreras
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010 - 12:00 pm

Hi Brian,

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Brian Swetland <swetland@google.com> wrote:

Look. I'll share with you a little experience.

For years I've been working on a piece of software to access
Microsoft's WLM IM service on linux. I have high quality standards for
my software, so I optimized algorithms and bandwith, I used valgrind
to find memory leaks, OProfile for performance bottlenecks, and so on.
All this on a laptop.

When I ported this code to the N900 it just worked, not more-or-less;
perfectly. I could stay online the whole day without the battery
running out, and I didn't have to make *any* change.

Then at some point people started complaining about battery usage, but
lo and behold, on the desktop people started reporting too much
bandwith/cpu usage as well. I tried on my laptop, and was able to
reproduce, and fix (bug related to daylight savings time).

For years people have been trying to unify certain KDE/GNOME code, and
freedesktop.org was born. Now the same technologies are used by Nokia
on Maemo, and now MeeGo (DBus, Telepathy, GStreamer, tracker, etc.),
so the optimizations done for mobile benefit everyone; desktop power
usage also improves.

So, yeah, I think the fact that my laptop and phone share the same
software is great, and that improvements in one benefit the other.


Why do you keep ignoring the N900? It has a lot of components that
come directly from the linux ecosystem and people are having more than
reasonable experiences (some are ecstatic).


Nobody is waiting for anything. There's hard work all over the place
to improve power usage.

If you think suspend blockers are useful for you, great, use them. I
just don't see why they should be merged if nobody is going to use
them but you. But maybe you are right, and maybe dynamic PM alone
never reaches the same levers of performance, then people would ask
for it to be merged, and it will. No biggie.

In the meantime, it would be wise to remember that this is not
Nokia/Intel vs Google. Nokia has invested a great deal in dynamic PM,
and those changes have benefited Android products directly (I even
remember somebody from Google directly thanking Nokia for that), and
that will continue. So we are on the same team.

And finally, if they don't get merged, I hope you don't see that as a
loss. At the very least I think you got a lot of review comments from
the most qualified experts in the world _free of charge_, and as a
result the code should be more robust.

Cheers.

-- 
Felipe Contreras
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Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Sat Jul 31, 10:58 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arjan van de Ven, (Sat Jul 31, 9:52 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Sat Jul 31, 10:48 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arjan van de Ven, (Sat Jul 31, 11:01 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Mikael Abrahamsson, (Sat Jul 31, 11:24 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Mikael Abrahamsson, (Sat Jul 31, 11:49 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Sun Aug 1, 12:12 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Sun Aug 1, 12:27 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 1, 3:47 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 1, 3:49 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 1, 4:00 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Sun Aug 1, 4:02 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 1, 4:12 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Sun Aug 1, 6:10 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Sun Aug 1, 8:03 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Sun Aug 1, 8:04 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 1, 8:06 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arjan van de Ven, (Sun Aug 1, 9:05 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Florian Mickler, (Sun Aug 1, 10:34 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Florian Mickler, (Sun Aug 1, 10:44 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Florian Mickler, (Sun Aug 1, 11:40 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Florian Mickler, (Sun Aug 1, 11:53 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Florian Mickler, (Mon Aug 2, 12:23 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Mon Aug 2, 6:52 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Mon Aug 2, 7:00 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Mon Aug 2, 7:08 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Mon Aug 2, 7:09 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Mon Aug 2, 7:12 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Mon Aug 2, 1:36 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Mon Aug 2, 2:33 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Mon Aug 2, 3:27 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Mon Aug 2, 3:40 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Mon Aug 2, 8:21 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Mon Aug 2, 9:18 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Mon Aug 2, 9:56 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Mon Aug 2, 10:01 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Florian Mickler, (Tue Aug 3, 4:25 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Florian Mickler, (Tue Aug 3, 4:26 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Tue Aug 3, 7:11 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Tue Aug 3, 8:41 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Tue Aug 3, 3:23 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Tue Aug 3, 3:47 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Tue Aug 3, 5:10 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Tue Aug 3, 6:09 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arjan van de Ven, (Tue Aug 3, 6:34 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Tue Aug 3, 8:39 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arjan van de Ven, (Tue Aug 3, 8:57 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Olivier Galibert, (Tue Aug 3, 9:58 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Tue Aug 3, 10:22 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML ..., Arve Hjønnevåg, (Tue Aug 3, 10:43 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Florian Mickler, (Tue Aug 3, 10:46 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Tue Aug 3, 10:59 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Tue Aug 3, 11:03 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Florian Mickler, (Tue Aug 3, 11:12 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Olivier Galibert, (Tue Aug 3, 11:28 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Tue Aug 3, 11:50 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Wed Aug 4, 12:10 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Florian Mickler, (Wed Aug 4, 12:35 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Aug 4, 4:47 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 9:27 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 9:32 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matthew Garrett, (Wed Aug 4, 9:35 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 11:32 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 11:39 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matthew Garrett, (Wed Aug 4, 11:55 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matthew Garrett, (Wed Aug 4, 12:21 pm)
Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, take two, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 12:57 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matthew Garrett, (Wed Aug 4, 12:57 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 1:08 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Aug 4, 1:31 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Pavel Machek, (Wed Aug 4, 1:42 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Aug 4, 1:43 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Aug 4, 1:46 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matthew Garrett, (Wed Aug 4, 1:48 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Aug 4, 1:51 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 1:51 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matthew Garrett, (Wed Aug 4, 1:56 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Pavel Machek, (Wed Aug 4, 2:15 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 2:15 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Aug 4, 2:31 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Florian Mickler, (Wed Aug 4, 2:39 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Wed Aug 4, 3:08 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Wed Aug 4, 3:51 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 4:06 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 4:10 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Anca Emanuel, (Wed Aug 4, 4:13 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Wed Aug 4, 4:15 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 4:19 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Aug 4, 4:26 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 4:30 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Aug 4, 4:33 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Wed Aug 4, 4:40 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Aug 4, 5:10 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Aug 4, 5:15 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 5:17 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Wed Aug 4, 5:20 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 5:48 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Wed Aug 4, 6:02 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matt Helsley, (Wed Aug 4, 6:58 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Brian Swetland, (Wed Aug 4, 7:02 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 7:39 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Brian Swetland, (Wed Aug 4, 7:46 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matt Helsley, (Wed Aug 4, 8:25 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 8:59 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Wed Aug 4, 9:05 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Florian Mickler, (Wed Aug 4, 10:33 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Florian Mickler, (Wed Aug 4, 10:56 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matthew Garrett, (Thu Aug 5, 6:38 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matthew Garrett, (Thu Aug 5, 6:40 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matthew Garrett, (Thu Aug 5, 6:47 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matthew Garrett, (Thu Aug 5, 7:16 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Brian Swetland, (Thu Aug 5, 7:23 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Brian Swetland, (Thu Aug 5, 7:29 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matthew Garrett, (Thu Aug 5, 7:33 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Thu Aug 5, 8:12 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Brian Swetland, (Thu Aug 5, 8:15 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu Aug 5, 8:34 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Thu Aug 5, 11:09 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, kevin granade, (Thu Aug 5, 11:13 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Brian Swetland, (Thu Aug 5, 11:20 am)
Re: [linux-pm] Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML ..., Paul E. McKenney, (Thu Aug 5, 11:21 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Thu Aug 5, 1:31 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, kevin granade, (Thu Aug 5, 1:51 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Thu Aug 5, 3:02 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Brian Swetland, (Thu Aug 5, 3:16 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Thu Aug 5, 4:03 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Thu Aug 5, 4:05 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Thu Aug 5, 4:19 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu Aug 5, 4:41 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Brian Swetland, (Thu Aug 5, 5:13 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Brian Swetland, (Thu Aug 5, 5:22 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Brian Swetland, (Thu Aug 5, 5:29 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Thu Aug 5, 5:42 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Brian Swetland, (Thu Aug 5, 6:22 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Arve Hjønnevåg, (Thu Aug 5, 6:29 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Fri Aug 6, 9:00 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Fri Aug 6, 10:09 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Fri Aug 6, 10:22 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Fri Aug 6, 10:24 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Fri Aug 6, 11:18 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Fri Aug 6, 5:36 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Rafael J. Wysocki, (Sat Aug 7, 2:01 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Sat Aug 7, 7:36 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Sat Aug 7, 8:07 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Paul E. McKenney, (Sat Aug 7, 2:11 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Felipe Contreras, (Sun Aug 8, 6:35 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matthew Garrett, (Sun Aug 8, 9:08 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Felipe Contreras, (Sun Aug 8, 10:08 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Matthew Garrett, (Sun Aug 8, 10:09 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, tak ..., Felipe Contreras, (Wed Aug 11, 12:18 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, tak ..., Felipe Contreras, (Wed Aug 11, 12:25 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, Felipe Contreras, (Wed Aug 11, 5:23 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, tak ..., Paul E. McKenney, (Thu Aug 12, 10:43 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, tak ..., Felipe Contreras, (Thu Aug 12, 10:52 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, tak ..., Paul E. McKenney, (Thu Aug 12, 11:38 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, tak ..., Felipe Contreras, (Thu Aug 12, 12:00 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML ..., Dominik Brodowski, (Thu Aug 12, 12:27 pm)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, tak ..., Felipe Contreras, (Thu Aug 12, 12:34 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML ..., Dominik Brodowski, (Thu Aug 12, 12:52 pm)
Re: [linux-pm] Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML ..., Felipe Contreras, (Fri Aug 13, 3:43 am)
Re: [linux-pm] Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML ..., Dominik Brodowski, (Fri Aug 13, 8:57 am)
Re: [linux-pm] Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML ..., Dominik Brodowski, (Fri Aug 13, 9:19 am)
Re: [linux-pm] Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML ..., Felipe Contreras, (Fri Aug 13, 9:19 am)
Re: [linux-pm] Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML ..., James Bottomley, (Fri Aug 13, 10:11 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, tak ..., Paul E. McKenney, (Fri Aug 13, 10:13 am)
Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, tak ..., Paul E. McKenney, (Sun Aug 15, 12:00 am)
Re: [linux-pm] Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML ..., Rafael J. Wysocki, (Mon Aug 16, 2:11 pm)