Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault

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From: Linus Torvalds
Date: Friday, July 16, 2010 - 6:15 pm

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org> wrote:

No, the nested NMI cannot fault, because it never even enters C code.
It literally just returns immediately after having noticed it is
nested (and corrupted the stack of the original one, so that the
original NMI will re-do itself at return)..

So the nested NMI will use some few tens of bytes of stack. In fact,
it will use the stack "above" the stack that the original NMI handler
is using, because it will reset the stack pointer back to the top of
the NMI stack. So in a very real sense, it is not even extending the
stack, it is just re-using a small part of the same stack that the
original NMI used (and that we copied away so that it doesn't matter
that it gets re-used)

As to another small but important detail: the _nested_ NMI actually
returns using "popf+ret", leaving NMI's blocked again. Thus
guaranteeing forward progress and lack of NMI storms.

To summarize:

 - the "original" (first-level) NMI can take faults (like the page
fault to fill in vmalloc pages lazily, or debug faults). That will
actually cause two stack frames (or three, if you debug a page fault
that happened while NMI was active). So there is certainly exception
nesting going on, but we're talking _much_ less stack than normal
stack usage where the nesting can be deep and in complex routines.

 - any "nested" NMI's will not actually use any more stack at all than
a non-nested one, because we've pre-reserved space for them (and we
_had_ to reserve space for them due to IST)

 - even if we get NMI's during the execution of the original NMI,
there can be only one such "spurious" NMI per nested exception. So if
we take a single page fault, that exception will re-enable NMI
(because it returns with "iret"), and as a result we may take a
_single_ new nested NMI until we disable NMI's again.

In other words, the approach is not all that different from doing
"lazy irq disable" like powerpc does for regular interrupts. For
NMI's, we do it because it's impossible (on x86) to disable NMI's
without actually taking one.

                         Linus
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[patch 0/2] x86: NMI-safe trap handlers, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Wed Jul 14, 8:49 am)
[patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Wed Jul 14, 8:49 am)
[patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Wed Jul 14, 8:49 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jul 14, 9:28 am)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Maciej W. Rozycki, (Wed Jul 14, 9:42 am)
Re: [patch 0/2] x86: NMI-safe trap handlers, Andi Kleen, (Wed Jul 14, 10:06 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Wed Jul 14, 10:06 am)
Re: [patch 0/2] x86: NMI-safe trap handlers, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Wed Jul 14, 10:08 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jul 14, 11:10 am)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Wed Jul 14, 11:12 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Jul 14, 11:46 am)
Re: [patch 0/2] x86: NMI-safe trap handlers, Andi Kleen, (Wed Jul 14, 11:56 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jul 14, 12:14 pm)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Maciej W. Rozycki, (Wed Jul 14, 12:21 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Frederic Weisbecker, (Wed Jul 14, 12:36 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jul 14, 12:41 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jul 14, 12:54 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Andi Kleen, (Wed Jul 14, 12:56 pm)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Wed Jul 14, 12:58 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Wed Jul 14, 1:05 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Andi Kleen, (Wed Jul 14, 1:07 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, H. Peter Anvin, (Wed Jul 14, 1:08 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Wed Jul 14, 1:17 pm)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Maciej W. Rozycki, (Wed Jul 14, 1:36 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Wed Jul 14, 1:39 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jul 14, 1:55 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Jul 14, 2:18 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jul 14, 2:23 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Maciej W. Rozycki, (Wed Jul 14, 2:45 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jul 14, 2:52 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Frederic Weisbecker, (Wed Jul 14, 3:14 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Wed Jul 14, 3:21 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Wed Jul 14, 3:31 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Maciej W. Rozycki, (Wed Jul 14, 3:31 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Frederic Weisbecker, (Wed Jul 14, 3:31 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jul 14, 3:37 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Frederic Weisbecker, (Wed Jul 14, 3:48 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Wed Jul 14, 3:51 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jul 14, 3:56 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jul 14, 4:02 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Andi Kleen, (Wed Jul 14, 4:09 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Wed Jul 14, 4:11 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jul 14, 4:22 pm)
Re: [patch 0/2] x86: NMI-safe trap handlers, Tejun Heo, (Wed Jul 14, 4:29 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Tejun Heo, (Wed Jul 14, 4:32 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Frederic Weisbecker, (Wed Jul 14, 4:38 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Steven Rostedt, (Wed Jul 14, 4:40 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Wed Jul 14, 4:54 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jul 14, 6:23 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Jul 14, 6:45 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Frederic Weisbecker, (Thu Jul 15, 7:11 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Andi Kleen, (Thu Jul 15, 7:35 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Steven Rostedt, (Thu Jul 15, 7:46 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jul 15, 7:51 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jul 15, 8:38 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Thu Jul 15, 9:26 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Thu Jul 15, 9:44 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jul 15, 9:49 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Thu Jul 15, 10:38 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Thu Jul 15, 11:31 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jul 15, 11:43 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jul 15, 11:48 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, H. Peter Anvin, (Thu Jul 15, 1:44 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Thu Jul 15, 3:01 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jul 15, 3:16 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, H. Peter Anvin, (Thu Jul 15, 3:24 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jul 15, 3:26 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Thu Jul 15, 3:30 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, H. Peter Anvin, (Thu Jul 15, 3:46 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Andi Kleen, (Thu Jul 15, 3:58 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, H. Peter Anvin, (Thu Jul 15, 4:20 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jul 15, 4:23 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, H. Peter Anvin, (Thu Jul 15, 4:41 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jul 15, 4:44 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, H. Peter Anvin, (Thu Jul 15, 4:46 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Andi Kleen, (Thu Jul 15, 4:48 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Frederic Weisbecker, (Fri Jul 16, 3:47 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Frederic Weisbecker, (Fri Jul 16, 4:21 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Steven Rostedt, (Fri Jul 16, 4:43 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Frederic Weisbecker, (Fri Jul 16, 5:00 am)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Avi Kivity, (Fri Jul 16, 5:28 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Steven Rostedt, (Fri Jul 16, 5:54 am)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Fri Jul 16, 7:49 am)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Andi Kleen, (Fri Jul 16, 8:34 am)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Fri Jul 16, 8:40 am)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Avi Kivity, (Fri Jul 16, 9:47 am)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Fri Jul 16, 9:58 am)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Avi Kivity, (Fri Jul 16, 10:54 am)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, H. Peter Anvin, (Fri Jul 16, 11:05 am)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Avi Kivity, (Fri Jul 16, 11:15 am)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, H. Peter Anvin, (Fri Jul 16, 11:17 am)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Fri Jul 16, 11:22 am)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Jul 16, 11:25 am)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Avi Kivity, (Fri Jul 16, 11:28 am)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Avi Kivity, (Fri Jul 16, 11:32 am)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Jul 16, 11:37 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Fri Jul 16, 12:13 pm)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Avi Kivity, (Fri Jul 16, 12:26 pm)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Andi Kleen, (Fri Jul 16, 12:28 pm)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, H. Peter Anvin, (Fri Jul 16, 12:29 pm)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Andi Kleen, (Fri Jul 16, 12:30 pm)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Avi Kivity, (Fri Jul 16, 12:32 pm)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Andi Kleen, (Fri Jul 16, 12:32 pm)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Andi Kleen, (Fri Jul 16, 12:34 pm)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Avi Kivity, (Fri Jul 16, 12:39 pm)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Jul 16, 2:39 pm)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Andi Kleen, (Fri Jul 16, 3:07 pm)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Jul 16, 3:26 pm)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Fri Jul 16, 3:40 pm)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Andi Kleen, (Fri Jul 16, 3:41 pm)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Jul 16, 6:15 pm)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Avi Kivity, (Sun Jul 18, 2:23 am)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Avi Kivity, (Sun Jul 18, 2:26 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Avi Kivity, (Sun Jul 18, 4:03 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Sun Jul 18, 10:36 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Avi Kivity, (Sun Jul 18, 11:04 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Sun Jul 18, 11:17 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Sun Jul 18, 11:22 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Steven Rostedt, (Sun Jul 18, 11:43 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Sun Jul 18, 12:26 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Avi Kivity, (Mon Jul 19, 12:32 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Aug 3, 10:18 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Tue Aug 3, 11:25 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Aug 3, 11:56 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Tue Aug 3, 12:45 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Aug 3, 1:02 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Ingo Molnar, (Tue Aug 3, 1:10 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Ingo Molnar, (Tue Aug 3, 1:21 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Tue Aug 3, 1:54 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Tue Aug 3, 2:16 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Aug 3, 11:27 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Dave Chinner, (Tue Aug 3, 11:46 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Aug 3, 11:46 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Aug 4, 12:14 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Ingo Molnar, (Wed Aug 4, 12:21 am)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, Peter Zijlstra, (Wed Aug 4, 2:46 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Wed Aug 4, 7:06 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Wed Aug 4, 7:45 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Peter Zijlstra, (Wed Aug 4, 7:50 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Peter Zijlstra, (Wed Aug 4, 7:56 am)
Re: [patch 2/2] x86 NMI-safe INT3 and Page Fault, H. Peter Anvin, (Wed Aug 4, 1:23 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Thu Aug 5, 6:42 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Thu Aug 5, 6:49 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Masami Hiramatsu, (Thu Aug 5, 11:18 pm)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Peter Zijlstra, (Fri Aug 6, 2:50 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Peter Zijlstra, (Fri Aug 6, 2:51 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Peter Zijlstra, (Fri Aug 6, 3:11 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Peter Zijlstra, (Fri Aug 6, 4:14 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Fri Aug 6, 6:37 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Fri Aug 6, 6:46 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Fri Aug 6, 7:13 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Fri Aug 6, 7:15 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Masami Hiramatsu, (Sat Aug 7, 2:51 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Frederic Weisbecker, (Mon Aug 9, 9:53 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Steven Rostedt, (Wed Aug 11, 7:34 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Steven Rostedt, (Wed Aug 11, 7:44 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Sun Aug 15, 6:35 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Avi Kivity, (Sun Aug 15, 9:33 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Sun Aug 15, 9:44 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Avi Kivity, (Sun Aug 15, 9:51 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Sun Aug 15, 11:31 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Avi Kivity, (Mon Aug 16, 3:49 am)
Re: [patch 1/2] x86_64 page fault NMI-safe, Avi Kivity, (Mon Aug 16, 4:29 am)