Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote on 2010/05/26 18:46:11:
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> On Wed, 26 May 2010, Joakim Tjernlund wrote:
> >
> > 1) It silently breaks when neither of {__LITTLE_,__BIG}_ENDIAN (or both)are
> >    defined depending on the endianess of the target CPU.
> >    The glibc model generates a compile error if you forget to include __BYTE_ORDER.
>
> Umm. Except when it doesn't (yes, Linux has the "Wundefined" thing, and
> has had for a long time). I've seen the glibc model do the wrong thing
> exactly because traditional C semantics is "undefined symbol is 0 in
> evaluations"
>
> Try compiling this
>
>    #include <stdio.h>
>
>    #if NOT_HERE == NOT_THERE
>    int main()
>    {
>       printf("Hello world!\n");
>    }
>    #endif
>
> and even with -Wall it compiles perfectly happily.

Ouch! But here -Wundef really helps.

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> So no. The glibc model is _not_ any better in practice.

In the kernel it is since it breaks the compile. The breakage
my patch introduced is a sign of that, right?

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> > 2) It clashes with user space so one cannot use it in exported header files.
>
> Which is annoying, I agree. But you shouldn't generally use kernel headers
> for user space anyway, much less export anything that is byteorder-

Not in general, but my case could have been avoided, I sure there are others
too. Why else does some header files bother with __BYTE_ORDER?

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> specific. So anybody who has this problem is likely doing something iffy
> to begin with.

hmm, so then I guess the existing use of __BYTE_ORDER in the
kernel should be removed?

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> Besides, you can solve it cleanly by simply avoiding the crazy glibc
> semantics entirely. IOW, the CONFIG_BIG_ENDIAN option I suggested (and

CONFIG_BIG_ENDIAN would have helped me with my lib/crc32.c problem
but it does not prevent silent breakage so I figured the glibc model
would be better.
Is it such a big difference, readability wise, between
  #ifdef CONFIG_BIG_ENDIAN
and
  #if __BYTE_ORDER == __BIG_ENDIAN
that you rather risk silent breakage?

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> again, you should damn well not export things that depend on it to user
> space - there are architectures where user-space might be switchable)

Such arch exists but does any of them run linux in both modes?

  Jocke

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