Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6

Previous message: [thread] [date] [author]
Next message: [thread] [date] [author]
From: Linus Torvalds
Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 9:54 am

On Thu, 13 May 2010, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:

Umm. No.

PnP information _commonly_ doesn't inclure PS/2 ports, even when they 
exist. Lack of PnP information about the keyboard port means absolutely 
nothing, and anybody who tells you otherwise is totally and utterly wrong. 

So don't confuse this with PnP issues. That's a total red herring, and 
Apple is _not_at_all_ "doing the proper thing in the BIOS". 

Quite the reverse. Apple is very clearly doing something horribly _wrong_ 
in their BIOS. Don't give them kudos for being incompetent morons.

Just google for

	"Probing ports directly" "i8042 KBD port"

and you'll get a lot of hits. That's not because those machines have wrong 
PnP tables - it's because fundamentally PNP is a joke, and on PC's what is 
much more important is "standard IO ports". 

For example, in that thread, Bastien is quoted:

	> In other words, on x86, if PNP and/or ACPI don't indicate any PS/2 
	> controller exists, we randomly bang on the ports in the expectation 
	> they'll be there anyway. This seems rather misguided.

and all that tells me is that Bastien doesn't know what he is doing. It is 
_not_ "randomly bang" - it's called standard PC hardware.  And it's not 
"misguided" - it's very much correct and required, exactly because PnP 
itself is the misguided aborted fetus of a braindamaged mind.

We do not trust BIOS tables, because BIOS writers are invariably totally 
incompetent crack-addicted monkeys. If they weren't, they wouldn't be BIOS 
writers. QED. And in fact the Apple problem is an _example_ of this BIOS 
writer incompetence, not some shining example of them doing something 
right.

			Linus
--
Previous message: [thread] [date] [author]
Next message: [thread] [date] [author]

Messages in current thread:
[git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Dmitry Torokhov, (Thu May 13, 12:57 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 13, 7:35 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Bastien Nocera, (Thu May 13, 7:47 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 13, 8:04 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 13, 8:19 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Dmitry Torokhov, (Thu May 13, 8:50 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Dmitry Torokhov, (Thu May 13, 9:01 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 13, 9:16 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Randy Dunlap, (Thu May 13, 9:38 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 13, 9:54 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 13, 9:58 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Dmitry Torokhov, (Thu May 13, 10:16 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 13, 10:30 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Dmitry Torokhov, (Thu May 13, 11:10 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 13, 12:55 pm)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 13, 1:15 pm)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Dmitry Torokhov, (Thu May 13, 2:05 pm)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 13, 2:21 pm)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Matthew Garrett, (Thu May 13, 4:39 pm)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Eric W. Biederman, (Fri May 14, 12:56 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Linus Torvalds, (Fri May 14, 7:54 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Matthew Garrett, (Fri May 14, 7:55 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Linus Torvalds, (Fri May 14, 8:16 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Matthew Garrett, (Fri May 14, 8:38 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Linus Torvalds, (Fri May 14, 8:42 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Matthew Garrett, (Fri May 14, 8:49 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Dmitry Torokhov, (Fri May 14, 9:28 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Dmitry Torokhov, (Fri May 14, 9:29 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Matthew Garrett, (Fri May 14, 9:35 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, david, (Fri May 14, 11:47 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Matthew Garrett, (Fri May 14, 11:49 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, david, (Fri May 14, 11:55 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Matthew Garrett, (Fri May 14, 11:59 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, david, (Fri May 14, 12:05 pm)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Len Brown, (Wed May 19, 9:53 pm)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Len Brown, (Wed May 19, 9:56 pm)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Dmitry Torokhov, (Thu May 20, 12:08 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Robert Hancock, (Wed May 26, 11:22 pm)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Dmitry Torokhov, (Wed May 26, 11:43 pm)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 27, 10:06 am)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Robert Hancock, (Thu May 27, 4:03 pm)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 27, 5:46 pm)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Dmitry Torokhov, (Thu May 27, 6:03 pm)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Mike Frysinger, (Thu May 27, 7:38 pm)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Robert Hancock, (Thu May 27, 9:05 pm)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Dmitry Torokhov, (Thu May 27, 10:10 pm)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Dmitry Torokhov, (Tue Aug 3, 11:20 pm)
Re: [git pull] Input updates for 2.6.34-rc6, Dmitry Torokhov, (Tue Aug 3, 11:29 pm)