RE: [PATCH] VMware Balloon driver

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From: Dan Magenheimer
Date: Monday, April 5, 2010 - 5:26 pm

> From: Andrew Morton [mailto:akpm@linux-foundation.org]

Sorry, I don't mean to be too self-serving.  And I am far less
an expert in Linux mm code than others involved in this discussion.

But this backpressure metric is one thing that frontswap provides.
It also provides an "insurance policy" for "desperately short
of memory".  It is the "yin" to the "yang" of cleancache.

If I understand the swap subsystem correctly, there IS NO
"getting desperately short of memory" except when a swap
device is unavailable or, more likely, too darn slow.

Frontswap writes synchronously to pseudo-RAM (tmem, in the
case of Xen) instead of a slow asynchronous swap device.  It
hooks directly into swap_writepage()/swap_readpage() in
a very clean, well-defined (not dopey) way.
So -- I think -- it is a perfect feedback mechanism to
tell a balloon driver (or equivalent), "I need more memory"
while covering the short-term need until the balloon driver
(and/or hypervisor) can respond.

It works today with Xen, and Nitin Gupta is working on an
in-kernel memory compression backend for it.  And Chris Mason
and I think it may also be a fine interface for SSD-used-
as-RAM-extension.

So please consider frontswap and cleancache before "cooking
up something [else] explicit"...  these were previously part
of Transcendent Memory postings*, but I have revised them to
be more useful, well-defined, and standalone (from Xen/tmem)
and will be re-posting the revised versions soon.

Dan

* See:
http://lwn.net/Articles/340080/ 
http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0912.2/01322.html 
OLS 2009 proceedings
LCA 2010 proceedings
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[PATCH] VMware Balloon driver, Dmitry Torokhov, (Sun Apr 4, 2:52 pm)
Re: [PATCH] VMware Balloon driver, Andrew Morton, (Mon Apr 5, 2:24 pm)
Re: [PATCH] VMware Balloon driver, Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Mon Apr 5, 3:03 pm)
Re: [PATCH] VMware Balloon driver, Andrew Morton, (Mon Apr 5, 3:17 pm)
Re: [PATCH] VMware Balloon driver, Avi Kivity, (Mon Apr 5, 3:26 pm)
Re: [PATCH] VMware Balloon driver, Andrew Morton, (Mon Apr 5, 3:40 pm)
Re: [PATCH] VMware Balloon driver, Dmitry Torokhov, (Mon Apr 5, 3:58 pm)
Re: [PATCH] VMware Balloon driver, Dmitry Torokhov, (Mon Apr 5, 4:01 pm)
RE: [PATCH] VMware Balloon driver, Dan Magenheimer, (Mon Apr 5, 4:03 pm)
Re: [PATCH] VMware Balloon driver, Andrew Morton, (Mon Apr 5, 4:11 pm)
Re: [PATCH] VMware Balloon driver, Dmitry Torokhov, (Mon Apr 5, 4:28 pm)
Re: [PATCH] VMware Balloon driver, Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Mon Apr 5, 4:28 pm)
Re: [PATCH] VMware Balloon driver, Andrew Morton, (Mon Apr 5, 4:34 pm)
RE: [PATCH] VMware Balloon driver, Dan Magenheimer, (Mon Apr 5, 5:26 pm)
[No subject], Avi Kivity, (Tue Apr 6, 9:28 am)
[No subject], Avi Kivity, (Tue Apr 6, 9:30 am)
[No subject], Avi Kivity, (Tue Apr 6, 9:32 am)
[No subject], Dmitry Torokhov, (Tue Apr 6, 10:06 am)
[No subject], Dan Magenheimer, (Tue Apr 6, 10:27 am)
[No subject], Avi Kivity, (Tue Apr 6, 10:42 am)
Re: [PATCH] VMware Balloon driver, Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Tue Apr 6, 11:25 am)
Re: [PATCH] VMware Balloon driver, Avi Kivity, (Tue Apr 6, 11:36 am)
Re: [PATCH] VMware Balloon driver, Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Tue Apr 6, 12:18 pm)
Re: [PATCH] VMware Balloon driver, Dave Hansen, (Tue Apr 6, 4:20 pm)
Re: [PATCH] VMware Balloon driver, Pavel Machek, (Wed Apr 7, 10:30 pm)
Re: [PATCH] VMware Balloon driver, Avi Kivity, (Thu Apr 8, 12:18 am)
Re: [PATCH] VMware Balloon driver, Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Thu Apr 8, 10:01 am)
[PATCH v2] VMware Balloon driver, Dmitry Torokhov, (Thu Apr 15, 2:00 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] VMware Balloon driver, Dmitry Torokhov, (Wed Apr 21, 12:59 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] VMware Balloon driver, Andrew Morton, (Wed Apr 21, 1:18 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] VMware Balloon driver, Dmitry Torokhov, (Wed Apr 21, 1:52 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] VMware Balloon driver, Andrew Morton, (Wed Apr 21, 2:13 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] VMware Balloon driver, Andrew Morton, (Wed Apr 21, 4:54 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] VMware Balloon driver, Dmitry Torokhov, (Wed Apr 21, 5:00 pm)
Re: [PATCH v2] VMware Balloon driver, Dmitry Torokhov, (Wed Apr 21, 5:09 pm)
Re: [Pv-drivers] [PATCH v2] VMware Balloon driver, Dmitry Torokhov, (Wed Apr 21, 6:02 pm)