Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into a single project

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From: Ingo Molnar
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010 - 4:14 am

* Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> wrote:


Obviously your employer at least in part defers to you when it comes to KVM 
priorities.

So, just to make this really clear, _you_ are not interested in running qemu 
as a desktop-on-desktop tool, subsequently this kind of 
disinterest-for-desktop-usability trickled through the whole KVM stack and 
poisoned your attitude and your contributor's attitude.

Too sad really and it's doubly sad that you dont feel anything wrong about 
that.


To a certain degree we are trying to do a small bit of that (see this very 
thread) - and you are NAK-ing and objecting the heck out of it via your 
unreasonable microkernelish and server-centric views.

With constant maintainer disinterest there's no wonder a non-desktop-oriented 
KVM becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy: you think the desktop does not matter, 
hence it becomes a reality in KVM space which you can constantly refer back to 
as a 'fact'.

Which i find dishonest and disingenious at best.


I'm interested in desktop-on-desktop because i walk this world with open eyes 
and i care about Linux, and these days qemu-kvm is the first thing a new Linux 
user sees about Linux virtualization. I've observed several people i know in 
person to turn away from Linux and go back to Windows or go over to Apple 
because they had a much more mature solution.

I'd probably turn away from Linux myself if i were a newbie and if i were 
forced to use KVM on the desktop today.

Again, you dont seem to realize that you as a maintainer are at a central 
point where you have the ability to turn the self-fulfilling prophecy that 
'nobody cares about the Linux desktop' into a reality - or where you have the 
ability to prevent it from happening. It is hugely harmful process, especially 
as you seem to delude yourself that you have nothing to do with it.

Anyway, it's good you expressed your views about this as this will help the 
chances of a fresh restart. (which chances are still not too good though)

Thanks,
	
	Ingo
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Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Frank Ch. Eigler, (Thu Mar 18, 5:33 am)
Re: [PATCH] Enhance perf to collect KVM guest os statistic ..., Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo, (Thu Mar 18, 6:03 am)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Frank Ch. Eigler, (Thu Mar 18, 6:24 am)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Daniel P. Berrange, (Thu Mar 18, 6:44 am)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Frank Ch. Eigler, (Thu Mar 18, 7:39 am)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Anthony Liguori, (Thu Mar 18, 11:10 am)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Anthony Liguori, (Thu Mar 18, 11:20 am)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Frederic Weisbecker, (Thu Mar 18, 11:20 am)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Frank Ch. Eigler, (Thu Mar 18, 12:50 pm)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Olivier Galibert, (Fri Mar 19, 2:52 am)
Re: [LKML] Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space ..., Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk, (Fri Mar 19, 6:56 am)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Andrea Arcangeli, (Fri Mar 19, 7:53 am)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Andrea Arcangeli, (Sat Mar 20, 7:59 am)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Olivier Galibert, (Sun Mar 21, 1:08 pm)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Ingo Molnar, (Mon Mar 22, 4:14 am)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Daniel P. Berrange, (Mon Mar 22, 5:37 am)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Daniel P. Berrange, (Mon Mar 22, 5:54 am)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Daniel P. Berrange, (Mon Mar 22, 6:05 am)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Richard W.M. Jones, (Mon Mar 22, 6:23 am)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Richard W.M. Jones, (Mon Mar 22, 7:01 am)
Re: [PATCH] Enhance perf to collect KVM guest os statistic ..., Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo, (Mon Mar 22, 9:44 am)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Frank Ch. Eigler, (Mon Mar 22, 10:17 am)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Anthony Liguori, (Mon Mar 22, 11:28 am)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Anthony Liguori, (Mon Mar 22, 11:30 am)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Anthony Liguori, (Mon Mar 22, 11:35 am)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Anthony Liguori, (Mon Mar 22, 11:41 am)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Anthony Liguori, (Mon Mar 22, 12:15 pm)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Anthony Liguori, (Mon Mar 22, 12:18 pm)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Andrea Arcangeli, (Mon Mar 22, 12:28 pm)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Anthony Liguori, (Mon Mar 22, 12:29 pm)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Daniel P. Berrange, (Mon Mar 22, 12:31 pm)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Anthony Liguori, (Mon Mar 22, 12:33 pm)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Daniel P. Berrange, (Mon Mar 22, 1:58 pm)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Olivier Galibert, (Tue Mar 23, 2:46 am)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Bernd Petrovitsch, (Tue Mar 23, 3:48 am)
Re: [PATCH] Enhance perf to collect KVM guest os statistic ..., Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo, (Tue Mar 23, 6:15 am)
Re: [PATCH] Enhance perf to collect KVM guest os statistic ..., Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo, (Tue Mar 23, 7:10 am)
Re: [PATCH] Enhance perf to collect KVM guest os statistic ..., Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo, (Tue Mar 23, 7:29 am)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Javier Guerra Giraldez, (Tue Mar 23, 12:05 pm)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Daniel P. Berrange, (Wed Mar 24, 8:26 am)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo, (Wed Mar 24, 10:47 am)
Re: [RFC] Unify KVM kernel-space and user-space code into ..., Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo, (Wed Mar 24, 11:27 am)