Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups

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From: Linus Torvalds
Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 1:35 pm

On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org> wrote:

Yes. And have you noticed people complaining about stuttering while
they run just their desktop app? No.

That's the thing. If you run a web browser and you use a flash player
to view youtube or whatever in it, and only use other interactive
desktop apps anyway, you won't see any problems _regardless_. It's not
like the other desktop app you have open (and is idle, because you're
not touching it) will matter.

Ask yourself who is complaining? _I_ have been complaining for years
about desktop latency. I usually do it in private to developers, but
trust me, I do it. Much of it has been about IO (the whole fsync
fiasco), but some of it has been about the scheduler.

Look at who were trying out Con's patches. They were compiling things
and running games at the same time. That's literally the kind of loads
that people were looking at. Partly because that's the kinds of loads
we haven't been good at. And it's the kind of load that this helps
with.

Anyway, I find it depressing that now that this is solved, people come
out of the woodwork and say "hey you could do this". Where were you
guys a year ago or more?

Tough. I found out that I can solve it using cgroups, I asked people
to comment and help, and I think the kernel approach is wonderful and
_way_ simpler than the scripts I've seen. Yes, I'm biased ("kernels
are easy - user space maintenance is a big pain").

                   Linus
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[RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 19, 2:16 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Oct 19, 2:26 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Oct 19, 2:29 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 19, 2:39 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 19, 2:42 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Oct 19, 2:43 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 19, 2:46 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 19, 4:29 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 19, 6:12 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Oct 19, 8:28 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 19, 11:13 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 19, 11:53 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Markus Trippelsdorf, (Wed Oct 20, 6:55 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Wed Oct 20, 7:41 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Oct 21, 12:55 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Oct 21, 1:11 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Oct 21, 1:39 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Markus Trippelsdorf, (Thu Oct 21, 1:48 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Oct 21, 1:52 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Thu Oct 21, 3:28 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Thu Oct 21, 3:51 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Thu Oct 21, 4:25 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Oct 21, 4:27 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Thu Oct 21, 9:22 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Oleg Nesterov, (Thu Oct 21, 9:29 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Oct 21, 12:11 pm)
[RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 26, 12:07 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 26, 12:29 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 11, 11:34 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Nov 11, 12:08 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Markus Trippelsdorf, (Thu Nov 11, 12:15 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Nov 11, 12:35 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 11, 12:37 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Markus Trippelsdorf, (Thu Nov 11, 12:38 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Nov 11, 12:58 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Nov 14, 10:19 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Markus Trippelsdorf, (Sun Nov 14, 10:49 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Nov 14, 11:10 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Sun Nov 14, 12:28 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Markus Trippelsdorf, (Sun Nov 14, 1:27 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Mon Nov 15, 3:41 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 10:03 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Nov 16, 10:11 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Nov 16, 10:42 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Nov 16, 11:08 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 11:16 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Nov 16, 11:21 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Nov 16, 11:49 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Nov 16, 11:59 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Nov 16, 12:13 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Nov 16, 12:25 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Nov 16, 12:35 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Markus Trippelsdorf, (Tue Nov 16, 12:42 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Nov 16, 12:43 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Nov 16, 12:45 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Nov 16, 12:49 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Nov 16, 12:57 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 1:03 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 1:05 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 1:28 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 1:31 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 1:33 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Nov 16, 1:35 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 1:36 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 1:50 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 2:08 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 2:14 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 2:17 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 2:19 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 5:21 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Wed Nov 17, 8:01 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Wed Nov 17, 3:34 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Wed Nov 17, 3:45 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Wed Nov 17, 4:49 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Hans-Peter Jansen, (Thu Nov 18, 3:33 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Thu Nov 18, 4:12 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Thu Nov 18, 4:43 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Thu Nov 18, 5:02 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Thu Nov 18, 5:07 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Thu Nov 18, 5:42 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Thu Nov 18, 5:59 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Thu Nov 18, 6:23 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Thu Nov 18, 8:15 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Fri Nov 19, 2:02 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Fri Nov 19, 5:55 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Fri Nov 19, 6:20 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Fri Nov 19, 7:24 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Fri Nov 19, 7:55 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Fri Nov 19, 9:34 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Nov 19, 10:51 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Fri Nov 19, 12:31 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Nov 19, 12:48 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Fri Nov 19, 6:13 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Fri Nov 19, 6:33 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Sat Nov 20, 8:41 am)
[PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Nov 20, 12:35 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Nov 20, 12:47 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Nov 20, 12:51 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Sat Nov 20, 1:25 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Konstantin Svist, (Sat Nov 20, 3:02 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Sat Nov 20, 3:15 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Thomas Fjellstrom, (Sat Nov 20, 3:18 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Mon Nov 22, 12:21 pm)
[tip:sched/core] sched: Add 'autogroup' scheduling feature ..., tip-bot for Mike Gal ..., (Tue Nov 30, 8:39 am)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Colin Walters, (Sat Dec 4, 10:39 am)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Dec 4, 11:33 am)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Colin Walters, (Sat Dec 4, 1:01 pm)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Dec 4, 3:39 pm)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Colin Walters, (Sat Dec 4, 4:43 pm)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Dec 4, 5:31 pm)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Nikos Chantziaras, (Sun Dec 5, 4:11 am)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Dec 5, 4:36 am)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Colin Walters, (Sun Dec 5, 12:22 pm)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Sun Dec 5, 1:47 pm)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Colin Walters, (Sun Dec 5, 3:47 pm)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Sun Dec 5, 5:28 pm)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Dec 7, 11:51 am)
[tip:sched/core] sched, autogroup: Fix potential access to ..., tip-bot for Mike Gal ..., (Tue Jan 4, 7:18 am)