Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups

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From: Linus Torvalds
Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 11:49 am

On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Lennart Poettering
<mzxreary@0pointer.de> wrote:

Right. And that's basically how this "patch" was actually tested
originally - by doing this by hand, without actually having a patch in
hand. I told people: this seems to work really well. Mike made it work
automatically.

Because it's something we want to do it for all users, and for all
shells, and make sure it gets done automatically. Including for users
that have old distributions etc, and make it easy to do in one place.
And then you do it for all the other heuristics we can see easily in
the kernel. And then you do it magically without users even having to
_notice_.

Suddenly it doesn't seem that wonderful any more to play with bashrc, does it?

That's the point. We can push out the kernel change, and everything
will "just work". We can make that feature we already have in the
kernel actually be _useful_.

User-level configuration for something that should just work is
annoying. We can do better.

Put another way: if we find a better way to do something, we should
_not_ say "well, if users want it, they can do this <technical thing
here>". If it really is a better way to do something, we should just
do it. Requiring user setup is _not_ a feature.

Now, I'm not saying that we shouldn't allow users to use cgroups. Of
course they can do things manually too. But we shouldn't require users
to do silly things that we can more easily do ourselves.

If the choice is between telling everybody "you should do this", and
"we should just do this for you", I'll take the second one every time.
We know it should be done. Why should we then tell somebody else to do
it for us?

                         Linus
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[RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 19, 2:16 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Oct 19, 2:26 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Oct 19, 2:29 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 19, 2:39 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 19, 2:42 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Oct 19, 2:43 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 19, 2:46 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 19, 4:29 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 19, 6:12 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Oct 19, 8:28 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 19, 11:13 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 19, 11:53 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Markus Trippelsdorf, (Wed Oct 20, 6:55 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Wed Oct 20, 7:41 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Oct 21, 12:55 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Oct 21, 1:11 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Oct 21, 1:39 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Markus Trippelsdorf, (Thu Oct 21, 1:48 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Oct 21, 1:52 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Thu Oct 21, 3:28 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Thu Oct 21, 3:51 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Thu Oct 21, 4:25 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Oct 21, 4:27 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Thu Oct 21, 9:22 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Oleg Nesterov, (Thu Oct 21, 9:29 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Oct 21, 12:11 pm)
[RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 26, 12:07 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 26, 12:29 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 11, 11:34 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Nov 11, 12:08 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Markus Trippelsdorf, (Thu Nov 11, 12:15 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Nov 11, 12:35 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 11, 12:37 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Markus Trippelsdorf, (Thu Nov 11, 12:38 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Nov 11, 12:58 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Nov 14, 10:19 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Markus Trippelsdorf, (Sun Nov 14, 10:49 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Nov 14, 11:10 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Sun Nov 14, 12:28 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Markus Trippelsdorf, (Sun Nov 14, 1:27 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Mon Nov 15, 3:41 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 10:03 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Nov 16, 10:11 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Nov 16, 10:42 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Nov 16, 11:08 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 11:16 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Nov 16, 11:21 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Nov 16, 11:49 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Nov 16, 11:59 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Nov 16, 12:13 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Nov 16, 12:25 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Nov 16, 12:35 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Markus Trippelsdorf, (Tue Nov 16, 12:42 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Nov 16, 12:43 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Nov 16, 12:45 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Nov 16, 12:49 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Nov 16, 12:57 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 1:03 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 1:05 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 1:28 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 1:31 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 1:33 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 1:36 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 1:50 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 2:08 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 2:14 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 2:17 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 2:19 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 5:21 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Wed Nov 17, 8:01 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Wed Nov 17, 3:34 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Wed Nov 17, 3:45 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Wed Nov 17, 4:49 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Hans-Peter Jansen, (Thu Nov 18, 3:33 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Thu Nov 18, 4:12 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Thu Nov 18, 4:43 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Thu Nov 18, 5:02 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Thu Nov 18, 5:07 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Thu Nov 18, 5:42 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Thu Nov 18, 5:59 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Thu Nov 18, 6:23 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Thu Nov 18, 8:15 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Fri Nov 19, 2:02 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Fri Nov 19, 5:55 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Fri Nov 19, 6:20 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Fri Nov 19, 7:24 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Fri Nov 19, 7:55 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Fri Nov 19, 9:34 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Nov 19, 10:51 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Fri Nov 19, 12:31 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Nov 19, 12:48 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Fri Nov 19, 6:13 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Fri Nov 19, 6:33 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Sat Nov 20, 8:41 am)
[PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Nov 20, 12:35 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Nov 20, 12:47 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Nov 20, 12:51 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Sat Nov 20, 1:25 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Konstantin Svist, (Sat Nov 20, 3:02 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Sat Nov 20, 3:15 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Thomas Fjellstrom, (Sat Nov 20, 3:18 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Mon Nov 22, 12:21 pm)
[tip:sched/core] sched: Add 'autogroup' scheduling feature ..., tip-bot for Mike Gal ..., (Tue Nov 30, 8:39 am)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Colin Walters, (Sat Dec 4, 10:39 am)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Dec 4, 11:33 am)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Colin Walters, (Sat Dec 4, 1:01 pm)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Dec 4, 3:39 pm)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Colin Walters, (Sat Dec 4, 4:43 pm)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Dec 4, 5:31 pm)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Nikos Chantziaras, (Sun Dec 5, 4:11 am)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Dec 5, 4:36 am)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Colin Walters, (Sun Dec 5, 12:22 pm)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Sun Dec 5, 1:47 pm)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Colin Walters, (Sun Dec 5, 3:47 pm)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Sun Dec 5, 5:28 pm)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Dec 7, 11:51 am)
[tip:sched/core] sched, autogroup: Fix potential access to ..., tip-bot for Mike Gal ..., (Tue Jan 4, 7:18 am)