Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups

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From: Linus Torvalds
Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - 8:28 am

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:29 AM, Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de> wrote:

Yes, I was going to complain that the numbers in the commit message
made no sense without something to compare the numbers to.


Very impressive. This definitely looks like something people will notice.

That said, I do think we should think carefully about calling this a
"tty" feature. I think we might want to leave the door open to other
heuristics than _just_ the tty group. I think the tty group approach
is wonderful for traditional Unix loads in a desktop environment, but
I suspect we might hit issues with IDE's etc too. I don't know if we
can notice things like that automatically, but I think it's worth
thinking about.

So I think the patch looks pretty good, and the numbers seem to look
just stunningly so, but I'd like to name the feature more along the
lines of "automatic process group scheduling" rather than about tty's
per se.

And you actually did that for the Kconfig option, which makes me quite happy.

The one other thing I do wonder about is how noticeable the group
scheduling overhead is. If people compare with a non-CGROUP_SCHED
kernel, will a desktop-optimized kernel suddenly have horrible pipe
latency due to much higher scheduling cost? Right now that whole
feature is hidden by EXPERIMENTAL, I don't know how much it hurts, and
I never timed it when I tried it out long ago..

                            Linus
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[RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 19, 2:16 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Oct 19, 2:26 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Oct 19, 2:29 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 19, 2:39 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 19, 2:42 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Oct 19, 2:43 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 19, 2:46 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 19, 4:29 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 19, 6:12 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Oct 19, 8:28 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 19, 11:13 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 19, 11:53 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Markus Trippelsdorf, (Wed Oct 20, 6:55 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Wed Oct 20, 7:41 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Oct 21, 12:55 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Oct 21, 1:11 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Oct 21, 1:39 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Markus Trippelsdorf, (Thu Oct 21, 1:48 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Oct 21, 1:52 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Thu Oct 21, 3:28 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Thu Oct 21, 3:51 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Thu Oct 21, 4:25 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Oct 21, 4:27 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Thu Oct 21, 9:22 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Oleg Nesterov, (Thu Oct 21, 9:29 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Oct 21, 12:11 pm)
[RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 26, 12:07 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Oct 26, 12:29 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 11, 11:34 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Nov 11, 12:08 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Markus Trippelsdorf, (Thu Nov 11, 12:15 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Nov 11, 12:35 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Nov 11, 12:37 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Markus Trippelsdorf, (Thu Nov 11, 12:38 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Thu Nov 11, 12:58 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Nov 14, 10:19 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Markus Trippelsdorf, (Sun Nov 14, 10:49 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Nov 14, 11:10 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Sun Nov 14, 12:28 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Markus Trippelsdorf, (Sun Nov 14, 1:27 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Mon Nov 15, 3:41 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 10:03 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Nov 16, 10:11 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Nov 16, 10:42 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Nov 16, 11:08 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 11:16 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Nov 16, 11:21 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Nov 16, 11:49 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Nov 16, 11:59 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Nov 16, 12:13 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Nov 16, 12:25 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Nov 16, 12:35 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Markus Trippelsdorf, (Tue Nov 16, 12:42 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Nov 16, 12:43 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Nov 16, 12:45 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Tue Nov 16, 12:49 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Tue Nov 16, 12:57 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 1:03 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 1:05 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 1:28 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 1:31 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 1:33 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 1:36 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 1:50 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 2:08 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 2:14 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 2:17 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 2:19 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Tue Nov 16, 5:21 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Wed Nov 17, 8:01 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Wed Nov 17, 3:34 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Wed Nov 17, 3:45 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Wed Nov 17, 4:49 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Hans-Peter Jansen, (Thu Nov 18, 3:33 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Thu Nov 18, 4:12 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Thu Nov 18, 4:43 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Thu Nov 18, 5:02 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Thu Nov 18, 5:07 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Thu Nov 18, 5:42 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Thu Nov 18, 5:59 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Thu Nov 18, 6:23 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Thu Nov 18, 8:15 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Fri Nov 19, 2:02 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Fri Nov 19, 5:55 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Fri Nov 19, 6:20 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Fri Nov 19, 7:24 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Fri Nov 19, 7:55 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Fri Nov 19, 9:34 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Nov 19, 10:51 am)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Fri Nov 19, 12:31 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Nov 19, 12:48 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Fri Nov 19, 6:13 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Fri Nov 19, 6:33 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Sat Nov 20, 8:41 am)
[PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Nov 20, 12:35 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Nov 20, 12:47 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Sat Nov 20, 12:51 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Sat Nov 20, 1:25 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Konstantin Svist, (Sat Nov 20, 3:02 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Samuel Thibault, (Sat Nov 20, 3:15 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Thomas Fjellstrom, (Sat Nov 20, 3:18 pm)
Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v3] sched: automated per tty task groups, Lennart Poettering, (Mon Nov 22, 12:21 pm)
[tip:sched/core] sched: Add 'autogroup' scheduling feature ..., tip-bot for Mike Gal ..., (Tue Nov 30, 8:39 am)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Colin Walters, (Sat Dec 4, 10:39 am)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Dec 4, 11:33 am)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Colin Walters, (Sat Dec 4, 1:01 pm)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Dec 4, 3:39 pm)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Colin Walters, (Sat Dec 4, 4:43 pm)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Dec 4, 5:31 pm)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Nikos Chantziaras, (Sun Dec 5, 4:11 am)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Mike Galbraith, (Sun Dec 5, 4:36 am)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Colin Walters, (Sun Dec 5, 12:22 pm)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Linus Torvalds, (Sun Dec 5, 1:47 pm)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Colin Walters, (Sun Dec 5, 3:47 pm)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Valdis.Kletnieks, (Sun Dec 5, 5:28 pm)
Re: [PATCH v4] sched: automated per session task groups, Peter Zijlstra, (Tue Dec 7, 11:51 am)
[tip:sched/core] sched, autogroup: Fix potential access to ..., tip-bot for Mike Gal ..., (Tue Jan 4, 7:18 am)