Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer

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From: Linus Torvalds
Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008 - 1:24 pm

On Thu, 25 Sep 2008, Ingo Molnar wrote:

Umm. cpu_clock() isn't even cross-cpu synchronized, and has actually 
thrown away all the information that can make it so, afaik. At least the 
comments say "never more than 2 jiffies difference"). You do realize that 
if you want to order events across CPU's, we're not talking about 
"jiffies" here, we're talking about 50-100 CPU _cycles_.

You also ignore the early trace issues, and have apparently not used it 
for FTRACE. You also ignore the fact that without TSC, it goes into the 
same "crap mode" that is appropriate for the scheduler, but totally 
useless for tracing.

IOW, you say that I call your arguments BS without telling you why, but 
that's just because you apparently cut out all the things I _did_ tell you 
why about!

The fact is, people who do tracing will want better clocks - and have 
gotten with other infrastructure - than you have apparently cared about. 
You've worried about scheduler tracing, and you seem to want to just have 
everybody use a simple but known-bad approach that was good enough for 
you.

			Linus
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[RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Tue Sep 23, 10:10 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Peter Zijlstra, (Wed Sep 24, 8:03 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Wed Sep 24, 8:44 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Martin Bligh, (Wed Sep 24, 8:47 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Peter Zijlstra, (Wed Sep 24, 9:11 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Wed Sep 24, 9:13 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Sep 24, 9:24 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Wed Sep 24, 9:26 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Wed Sep 24, 9:31 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Wed Sep 24, 9:37 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Peter Zijlstra, (Wed Sep 24, 9:39 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Martin Bligh, (Wed Sep 24, 9:49 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Wed Sep 24, 9:51 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Martin Bligh, (Wed Sep 24, 9:56 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Sep 24, 10:25 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Sep 24, 10:36 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Wed Sep 24, 10:49 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Martin Bligh, (Wed Sep 24, 10:54 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Wed Sep 24, 11:01 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Martin Bligh, (Wed Sep 24, 11:04 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Sep 24, 1:23 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Sep 24, 1:30 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, David Miller, (Wed Sep 24, 1:37 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Sep 24, 1:39 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Wed Sep 24, 1:47 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Wed Sep 24, 1:48 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Sep 24, 1:49 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Martin Bligh, (Wed Sep 24, 1:51 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Wed Sep 24, 1:53 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Martin Bligh, (Wed Sep 24, 1:56 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Martin Bligh, (Wed Sep 24, 2:03 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Wed Sep 24, 2:08 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Wed Sep 24, 2:17 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Frank Ch. Eigler, (Wed Sep 24, 2:24 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Wed Sep 24, 2:33 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Wed Sep 24, 2:51 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Sep 24, 3:28 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Linus Torvalds, (Wed Sep 24, 3:41 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Sep 25, 3:38 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Peter Zijlstra, (Thu Sep 25, 3:41 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Martin Bligh, (Thu Sep 25, 7:33 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Peter Zijlstra, (Thu Sep 25, 7:53 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Sep 25, 8:05 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Thu Sep 25, 8:20 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Martin Bligh, (Thu Sep 25, 8:25 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Thu Sep 25, 8:26 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Sep 25, 8:36 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Thu Sep 25, 9:23 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Thu Sep 25, 9:32 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Thu Sep 25, 9:37 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Sep 25, 9:40 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Sep 25, 9:49 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Thu Sep 25, 9:53 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Thu Sep 25, 10:02 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Sep 25, 10:07 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Thu Sep 25, 10:15 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Thu Sep 25, 10:20 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Sep 25, 10:22 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Sep 25, 10:29 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Thu Sep 25, 10:32 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Thu Sep 25, 10:39 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Thu Sep 25, 10:42 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Sep 25, 11:14 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Sep 25, 12:55 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Sep 25, 1:12 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Sep 25, 1:20 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Sep 25, 1:24 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Sep 25, 1:29 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Mathieu Desnoyers, (Thu Sep 25, 1:29 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Thu Sep 25, 1:47 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Sep 25, 1:52 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Thu Sep 25, 2:01 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Thu Sep 25, 2:02 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Sep 25, 2:10 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Thu Sep 25, 2:14 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Martin Bligh, (Thu Sep 25, 2:15 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Sep 25, 2:16 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Sep 25, 2:41 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Sep 25, 2:55 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Sep 25, 2:56 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Sep 25, 2:58 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Sep 25, 3:14 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Sep 25, 3:25 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Thu Sep 25, 3:39 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Thu Sep 25, 3:45 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Sep 25, 3:55 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Thu Sep 25, 3:59 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Thu Sep 25, 4:04 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Ingo Molnar, (Thu Sep 25, 4:25 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Sep 25, 4:33 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Thu Sep 25, 6:17 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Thu Sep 25, 6:27 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Thu Sep 25, 6:27 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Thu Sep 25, 6:35 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Thu Sep 25, 6:49 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Thu Sep 25, 7:07 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Thu Sep 25, 7:25 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Jeremy Fitzhardinge, (Thu Sep 25, 10:31 pm)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Fri Sep 26, 3:41 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Thomas Gleixner, (Fri Sep 26, 7:04 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Sep 27, 10:16 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Sep 27, 10:36 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Sat Sep 27, 10:38 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Peter Zijlstra, (Sat Sep 27, 10:50 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Steven Rostedt, (Sat Sep 27, 11:18 am)
Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer, Ingo Molnar, (Sat Sep 27, 11:42 am)